Re: greenyes-d Digest V01 #101

["Mike Morrow" <mmorrow@together.net>]

Does it?  I have three voices to speak with in the house and senate.  Is my
voice heard at AF&PA?   I wish Chris, good luck (cause she'll need it).  I
think Daves tone is a bit hot, but he has a point.


-----Original Message-----
From: Cloutier, Chris <chris.cloutier@moea.state.mn.us>
To: multiple recipients of <greenyes@earthsystems.org>; 'fn1999@erols.com'
<fn1999@erols.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:23 PM
Subject: RE: greenyes-d Digest V01 #101


>Frank does a much nicer job than me of saying that sort of near
character-assination really has no place on this list-serve.
>
>Using David's logic, he should soon be renouncing his US citizenship b/c
the US gov't is at least as environmentally damaging as the members of the
AF&PA. Doesn't the same ethical conundrum (read: strawman) apply?
>
>> ----------
>> From: Frank Nickerson[SMTP:fn1999@erols.com]
>> Reply To: fn1999@erols.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:06 PM
>> To: multiple recipients of
>> Subject: Re: greenyes-d Digest V01 #101
>>
>> I do know Christine McCoy - I have known her for about 2 years and have
read her posts on my local community listserv for at least that long.
>>
>> Christine is my neighbor and she makes a huge personal commitment and
sacrifice for the environment.  This is the third year in a row that she has
personally spearheaded through her force of personality an Earthday project
to clean-up my neighborhood.  Many who know her would say she does more for
the neighborhood and the environment than anyone else they know, hands down.
She does not own a car, but walks, rides her bike, or uses public
transportation.
>>
>> I can not recall where Christine worked prior to AF&PA, but she took this
job since I met her.  I think she finds it a challenge and an opportunity to
lead and be a change agent in an organization that does not always have the
best reputation in environmental social circles.  In her position at AF&AP
she has the opportunity to change minds where many decisions about the
environment are made.  I can't say she would always be successful in her
efforts (who is?), but I can not fathom Christine being rolled by anyone.
She is polite, but speaks her mind.  She takes action.  I am sure her
employers know she is an environmentalist.
>>
>> Frank Nickerson
>>
>>
>>
>> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:43:45 EDT
>> From: DavidOrr@aol.com
>> To: greenyes@earthsystems.org
>> Subject: [GRRN] AF&PA
>> Message-ID: <37.12f71f61.27fa2261@aol.com>
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>> On 4/2/01 9:51 AM, Christine_McCoy@afandpa.org
>> Christine_McCoy@afandpa.org wrote:
>>
>> >In the meantime, you may want to check out
>> >our website for general information on paper and wood recycling.
>>
>>
>> While I don't know Ms. McCoy, nor do I have any reason to doubt her
>> sincerity on a personal level, I would strongly caution all subscribers
>> to this list that the American Forest & Paper Association is the timber
>> industry's mouthpiece and a major obstructive force against forest
>> protection efforts in this country and abroad. To the extent they
>> promote paper and wood recycling, it is as a defensive measure, i.e., to
>> be able to defend against charges that they prefer to cut down trees to
>> promote recycling.
>>
>> If the AF&PA and its member companies cared about recycling, we would
>> have a lot more post-consumer waste recycling in this country. For
>> example, it was back in the early days of the Clinton Administration when
>> the white house proposed a minimum PCW content rule for the Government
>> Printing Office. Who shot that down? The AF&PA and some of its biggest
>> member companies.
>>
>> So take what they tell you with a block of salt. I won't be checking
>> their website for any information, other than to see what sort of
>> self-serving propaganda the timber industry puts out on a given day or on
>> a given topic.
>>
>> Good luck to Ms. McCoy in her job. It is a serious ethical challenge for
>> an environmentalist to work for the world's biggest advocate for forest
>> destruction.
>>
>> David Orr
>>
>>
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