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- Subject: [GreenYes] Reactin to David Orr's contribution in #25
- From: "mr. jan hearthstone" <hearthstone@rocketmail.com>
- Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:20:27 -0700 (PDT)
To David Orr's contribution in Greenyes V1 #25.
("Some thoughts on the present and future direction of
this movement")
Only a small number of the small number of those who
are concerned about the quality of life on Earth have
any vague idea of what the end-result of their efforts
(should there be any efforts exercised) should look
like. And – if they do, it, in all probability, would
not match the vision of all the others engaged in
trying to improve the quality of life on Earth. What
is happening now is that a lot of effort is being
wasted on results that would only be short-lived in
most cases, a situation caused by us not having any
clear vision of the future of humans on Earth in
sights.
What could help would be to make clear what results
all those who are endeavoring to improve on the
unsatisfactory nature of things in our world want, -
in other words – we need to start creating a model of
how humans should live on Earth in balance with all
that that comprises life on Earth. With little doubt
such a model would call for humans to live truly
ecologically sustainably, and the definition of what
is ecologically sustainable is becoming progressively
clearer with all the efforts made by science, - there
is progressively less and less vagueness possible, -
however - even this definition would require
co-operative modeling.
We should stop running away from what is bad in the
world and start running (as fast as possible) towards
what is desirable, but – it has to be clearly stated
what that "desirable" is. Modeling of what humans
behavior in the world should be (humans are
intelligent enough to be able to do that) should be no
problem with today's state of knowledge and technology
any more.
hearthstone@rocketmail.com
--- "[Greenyes Digest]" <owner-greenyes@grrn.org>
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> [Greenyes Digest] Wednesday, July 25 2001
> Volume 01 : Number 025
>
>
>
> [GreenYes] Mandatory recycling
> [GreenYes] Tourism and recycling
> Re: [GreenYes] Mandatory recycling
> Re: [GreenYes] Tourism and recycling
> [GreenYes] ENERGY STAR Offers Financial, Technical
> Information Sessions Via Internet.
> RE: [GreenYes] Mandatory recycling
> [GreenYes] Some thoughts on the present and future
> direction of this movement
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:20:14 -0400
> From: "Susan Bush" <suhubu@earthlink.net>
> Subject: [GreenYes] Mandatory recycling
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> Does anyone know of municipalities that have
> mandated recycling for both
> businesses (or some subset thereof) and residents?
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> - --- Susan Bush
>
> - --- suhubu@earthlink.net
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> <DIV>Does anyone know of municipalities that have
> mandated recycling for both businesses (or some
> subset thereof) and residents? Thanks.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>--- Susan Bush</DIV>
> <DIV>--- <A
>
href="mailto:suhubu@earthlink.net";>suhubu@earthlink.net</A></DIV>
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> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:19:22 -0400
> From: "Susan Bush" <suhubu@earthlink.net>
> Subject: [GreenYes] Tourism and recycling
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> I am researching how to encourage tourists to
> recycle. Does anyone have
> concrete examples of this? I am aware of
> organizations such as the Green Hotels
> Ass'n, etc., but would like more examples,
> especially of how municipalities with
> a tourism industry encourage recycling. Thanks so
> much!
>
>
>
> - --- Susan Bush
>
> - --- suhubu@earthlink.net
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> <DIV>I am researching how to encourage tourists to
> recycle. Does anyone have concrete examples of this?
> I am aware of organizations such as the Green Hotels
> Ass'n, etc., but would like more examples,
> especially of how municipalities with a tourism
> industry encourage recycling. Thanks so much!</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>--- Susan Bush</DIV>
> <DIV>--- <A
>
href="mailto:suhubu@earthlink.net";>suhubu@earthlink.net</A></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
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> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:40:50 EDT
> From: RicAnthony@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [GreenYes] Mandatory recycling
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> In a message dated 7/25/2001 10:24:46 AM Pacific
> Daylight Time,
> suhubu@earthlink.net writes:> Does anyone know of
> municipalities that have
> > mandated recycling for both businesses (or some
> subset thereof) and
> > residents? Thanks.
> >
> >
> Susan:
> Most Cities in San Diego County except San Diego and
> San Marcos (Oceanside,
> Carlsbad, Encinitas, Solana Beach, Del Mar, Vista,
> Escondido, Poway, Santee,
> Lemon Grove, El Cajon, Chula Vista and Imperial
> Beach) have mandatory
> separation requirement for both single and multi
> family, commercial office
> buildings and clean loads of c & d. Michael Meacham
> of Chula Vista (100,000
> + population) would be a good contact ,
> mmeachan@ci.chula_vista.ca.us. , as
> would Jacy Davis from Solana Recyclers,
> solana@adnc.com. Most of these
> Cities have come very close to 50% diversion
> required by CA State law.
> Rick Anthony
>
>
> Richard Anthony Associates
> ricanthony@aol.com
> 3891 Kendall Street
> San Diego CA 92109
> 858 272 2905 (P)
> 858 272 3709 (F)
> <A
>
HREF="WWW.RICHARDANTHONYASSOCIATES.COM">WWW.RICHARDANTHONYASSOCIATES.COM</A>
>
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> <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3>In a
> message dated 7/25/2001 10:24:46 AM Pacific Daylight
> Time,
> <BR>suhubu@earthlink.net writes:</FONT><FONT
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> style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT:
> 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Does
> anyone know of municipalities that have
> <BR>mandated recycling for both businesses (or some
> subset thereof) and
> <BR>residents? Thanks.
> <BR>
> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3
> FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial"
> LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
> <BR>Susan:
> <BR>Most Cities in San Diego County except San Diego
> and San Marcos (Oceanside,
> <BR>Carlsbad, Encinitas, Solana Beach, Del Mar,
> Vista, Escondido, Poway, Santee,
> <BR>Lemon Grove, El Cajon, Chula Vista and Imperial
> Beach) have mandatory
> <BR>separation requirement for both single and multi
> family, commercial office
> <BR>buildings and clean loads of c & d.
> Michael Meacham of Chula Vista (100,000
> <BR>+ population) would be a good contact ,
> mmeachan@ci.chula_vista.ca.us. , as
> <BR>would Jacy Davis from Solana Recyclers,
> solana@adnc.com. Most of these
> <BR>Cities have come very close to 50% diversion
> required by CA State law.
> <BR>Rick Anthony
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR><B>Richard Anthony Associates
> <BR>ricanthony@aol.com
> <BR>3891 Kendall Street
> <BR>San Diego CA 92109
> <BR>858 272 2905 (P)
> <BR>858 272 3709 (F)
> <BR><A
>
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> <BR></B>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:44:43 +0530
> From: "Jayakumar" <thanal@md4.vsnl.net.in>
> Subject: Re: [GreenYes] Tourism and recycling
>
> hello
> i am jayan writing from kerala
> we are also interested in this. We are a small
> group from kerala,
> India .
>
> We launched a anti incineration campaign in kerala
> in 1999 june
> along with greenpeace and succeeded in stopping
> that. But the
> waste problem was still to be addressed and last
> february . We with
> support and guidance from GAIA started the zerowaste
> kovalam
> initiative . we are attempting to develop a document
> which will
> address all aspects of waste and currently three
> people are digging
> around for informations. We found it quite useful to
> learn from many
> of you and if you have suggestions and experience to
> share we are
> keen to hear from you all.
>
> we have good expertise in understanding tourism , we
> know the local
> political structure and functioning and we are
> learning community
> ways to handle waste
>
> jayan
>
> Jayakumar C.
>
> Co ordinator
> Thanal Conservation Action and Information Network,
> P B # 815 , Kawdiar , Thiruvananthapuram ,
> Kerala , India.
>
> Pin 695 003
>
> mail : thanal@vsnl.com
>
> Tel :++91-471-311896
> Fax :++91-471-435452
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:17:17 -0400
> From: Michael Segal <msegal@cadmusgroup.com>
> Subject: [GreenYes] ENERGY STAR Offers Financial,
> Technical Information Sessions Via Internet.
>
> Resources from US EPA Energy Star:
>
> Would you like to explore the financing options for
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>
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> During the presentation,
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>
> Energy Star Internet presentations have been
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>
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> >
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>
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> Portfolio Manager is a 45-minute presentation on a
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>
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>
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> The Cadmus Group.
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> Tel: 703-247-6113
> Fax: 703-247-6001
>
> For more information on saving money and preventing
> pollution through energy
> efficiency, please visit
> http://www.energystar.gov
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:36:31 -0500
> From: "Reindl, John" <Reindl@co.dane.wi.us>
> Subject: RE: [GreenYes] Mandatory recycling
>
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> Recycling in all communities in Wisconsin is
> mandatory for all waste
> generators - residents, businesses, government
> offices, people out at the
> park or at the baseball stadium, you name it.
>
> It has been that way since 1991 for some materials
> such as oil and
> appliances, 1993 for yard materials and 1995 for a
> wide range of paper and
> containers.
>
> Please let me know if you would like additional
> details.
>
> John Reindl, Recycling Manager
> Dane County, Wisconsin
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Bush [mailto:suhubu@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:20 PM
> To: greenyes
> Subject: [GreenYes] Mandatory recycling
>
>
>
>
>
> Does anyone know of municipalities that have
> mandated recycling for both
> businesses (or some subset thereof) and residents?
> Thanks.
>
> - --- Susan Bush
> - --- suhubu@earthlink.net
> <mailto:suhubu@earthlink.net>
>
>
>
>
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> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
> class=950533121-25072001>Recycling in all
> communities in Wisconsin is mandatory for all waste
> generators - residents,
> businesses, government offices, people out at the
> park or at the baseball
> stadium, you name it.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
> class=950533121-25072001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
> class=950533121-25072001>It has been that way
> since 1991 for some materials such as oil and
> appliances, 1993 for yard
> materials and 1995 for a wide range of paper and
> containers.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
> class=950533121-25072001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
> class=950533121-25072001>Please let me know
> if you would like additional
> details.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
> class=950533121-25072001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
> class=950533121-25072001>John Reindl,
> Recycling Manager</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
> class=950533121-25072001>Dane County,
> Wisconsin</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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> dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
> size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
> Susan Bush
> [mailto:suhubu@earthlink.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B>
> Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:20
> PM<BR><B>To:</B> greenyes<BR><B>Subject:</B>
> [GreenYes] Mandatory
> recycling<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
> <P>
> <DIV></DIV>
> <DIV>Does anyone know of municipalities that have
> mandated recycling for both
> businesses (or some subset thereof) and residents?
> Thanks.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>--- Susan Bush</DIV>
> <DIV>--- <A
>
href="mailto:suhubu@earthlink.net";>suhubu@earthlink.net</A></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:38:56 EDT
> From: DavidOrr@aol.com
> Subject: [GreenYes] Some thoughts on the present and
> future direction of this movement
>
> Thanks very much to Peter Anderson for his excellent
> comments re:
> opposing tax credits for landfill methane recovery
> for power production.
> The critique was accurate and to the point. I
> especially liked the
> statement about the characterization of this
> proposal as yet another
> subsidy to the "waste management" industry, which it
> certainly is. I also
> liked the point about revitalizing our soil. This is
> one way to get off
> the chemical fertilizer treadmill.
>
> Just as federal law forced states to require the use
> of lined "sanitary"
> landfills, so too must federal law, it seems to me,
> be used to force
> landfill operators to stop taking organic materials
> (except perhaps in
> very limited emergency situations).
>
> It's all too easy to get trapped into a mindset that
> perpetuates
> unacceptable behavior because someone presents a
> partial solution that
> looks better than doing nothing yet in effect only
> serves to reinforce
> and institutionalize the bad behavior--with our
> apparent blessing!
>
> I don't know if advocates for reduction, reuse and
> recycling fully
> realize the great potential for change that exists
> within this
> movement--so long as it continues to be alert to
> scams such as this tax
> credit proposal, and is willing to challenge them
> promptly and vocally.
> We must continue to struggle to prevent corporate
> interests from moving
> in and co-opting the efforts of grassroots activists
> to make these
> changes.
>
> As I'm sure you all know, it is not enough to
> recycle. In some cases
> recycling itself not only misses the point but also
> serves to perpetuate
> environmentally unfriendly industries. Our movement
> is, or should be
> about reducing consumption, first and foremost.
> Secondarily it's about
> reusing products. Only way down the line should
> recycling be discussed.
> That's why I sometimes think that GRRN should change
> its name to Grass
> Roots Consumption Reduction Network, or something to
> that effect, to
> properly emphasize our advocacy priorities. We have
> done a good job, with
> industry's help, in educating the public about the
> need to recycle. In
> other words, we have gotten along well with industry
> on the 3rd and least
> important element of our mission. Where the most
> important challenge
> today lies, I think, is in promoting the message of
> Reducing Consumption
> and Reusing Products. I don't see these important
> messages penetrating
> through to the ground level, and this is I think a
> problem partly of our
> own making. By working hard to establish markets for
> recyclables, we have
> in some ways shot ourselves in the foot in terms of
> closing markets (or
> pubilc demand) for reusables and for source
> reduction.
>
> Case in point: the California Redemption Value (CRV)
> law that created a
> recycling industry of sorts for single-use
> containers but did not mandate
> reuse. While certainly many folks thought that this
> compromise was a step
> in the right direction, it can only be seen that way
> in the context as
> being good for the beverage industry and those
> successful businesses that
> recycle single-use containers. It was a step
> backward for reduce/reuse
> advocates because it is arguably more difficult
> today to push for
> meaningful reform of the California bottle bill.
>
> But industry likes recycling, because they can
> greenwash their own bad
> practices by touting their "commitment" to
> recycling. And we all know how
> hollow those stated commitments ring, witness the
> plastic bottle crisis.
> Industry is rolling right over us and we seem
> powerless to stop it, in
> part because these plastic bottles are promoted by
> the industry as
> recyclable.
>
> One look at the annual NRC conference shows how many
> of the very
> industries that created the messes we're trying to
> clean up have weakened
> *that* organization's effectiveness. Co-optation of
> the NRC by industry
> created a need for GRRN, and the continued
> recognition by all of us that
> a significant portion of GRRN's value as an
> independent grass roots
> organization depends upon our ability to effectively
> communicate to the
> public the true, revolutionary meaning of Reduce
> Reuse Recycle, and to
> make certain that recycling does not continue to
> obscure the real purpose
> and goals of the materials use efficiency and waste
> prevention movement.
>
> Thanks for your consideration,
>
> David Orr
> Moab, Utah
>
> ------------------------------
>
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