Re: [greenyes] RE: [GAIA]ZW goals without incineration?

[Keith Ripley <vze3gxms@no.address>]

Veronica,
            I would not expect you to agree about the bill's chances, 
since Greenpeace is such a driving force behind this effort.  I 
certainly wish you well and hope your optimism is warranted.  But every 
environment and waste expert I spoke to during my visit to Buenos Aires 
in February felt that the bill was unlikely to pass the full CABA 
legislature in 2005.  Surely you know and understand that simply having 
the support of the Dip. Velasco and the Ecology Committee does not mean 
passage by the full legislature.  If that were true, the Autonomous City 
of Buenos Aires would have a much more developed body of environmental 
law than it has now....
            When you say that there us a new draft, do you mean a new 
version of PL 2106-04?  Or a totally new bill?  Either way, would you be 
willing to send a copy?
            Yes, I am aware of the debate at national level over the 
possible use of WTE -- these proposals are cropping up all over Latin 
America and the Caribbean, but most disappear after people start asking 
for details about costs and consequences. 
             It is my work to be aware of such things.  Waste policy in 
Latin America is my primary focus.  I may even know of some waste laws, 
decrees, rodinances and bills ("law projects") in Argentina that you are 
not yet aware of.  For example, do you know of the law in Mendoza and 
Ordinances in Comodoro Rivadavia and Caleta Olivia prohibiting 
non-biodegradable plastic shopping bags?  The Tucuman ordinance on PET?  
The new law on household wastes in Misiones?  The ecotax in Salto?  The 
battery bills in Buenos Aires Province?
             As Ann and some others on GreenYes can attest, I cover 
many of these issues and developments in the news section of my website, 
www.temasactuales.com  You might be interested in receiving the monthly 
e-mail summary of that news, which is provided free to anyone entering 
their information in the spot indicated on the lefthand side of any page 
in the website.  The news summary is not yet offered in Spanish, but 
should be later this year.
            No, I do not live in Argentina, but visit at least once a 
year (as I do several nations in Latin America) -- I propose that we 
meet next time I am in Buenos Aires.  I am based in the United States.
Regards,
Keith

Estimada Veronica,
            No me sorprende que Ud. no está Ud. de acuerdo conmigo 
sobre el prognóstico para el proyecto de ley, como sé bien que 
Greenpeace es el motor para esta iniciativa.  Le deseo suerte con esta 
esfuerza y espero que la iniciative merece su optimismo.  Pero tengo que 
decir que todos los expertos argentinos en medio ambiente y residuos con 
quienes hablé durante mi visita a Buenos Aires en feb. me dijeron que el 
"proyecto basura cero" probablemente no va a ser aprobado por la 
legislatura en el año 2005.  Supongo que Ud. sabe y entiende bien que 
simplemente tener la respalda de Dip. Valesco y la Comisión de Ecología 
no asegura aprobación de la legislatura en plenario.  Si fuera el caso, 
la Ciudad Autónoma de Buenos Aires tendría un cuerpo de ly ambiental 
mucho más amplio y profundo que tiene hoy en dia....
            Cuando dice Ud. que existe un nuevo texto, ¿es decir que 
hay una nueva versión del proyecto de ley 2106-04?  ¿O quiere decir que 
existe un proyecto completamente nuevo?  En cualquier caso, ¿podría ser 
tan amable enviarme una copia?
            Si, conozco el debate al nivel nacional sobre la 
posibilidad de utilizar un proceso de "conversión termica" -- este tipo 
de propuesta está apareciendo en todo América Latina e el Caribe, pero 
en mi experiencia la mayoria de ellas desaparecen cuando la gente 
empiecen a preguntar sobre los detalles sobre costos y consecuecias.
            Es mi trabajo saber de esas cosas.  La política sobre los 
residuos en América Latina es mi foco principal.  Es posible que conozca 
de algunos leyes, decretos, ordinanzas y proyectos de ley en Argentina 
de que no conozce Ud.  Por ejemplo, ¿conozce Ud. de la ley de Mendoza y 
las ordinanzas de Comodoro Rivadavia y Caleta Olivia que prohiben el uso 
de bolsas de plástico no-biodegradable?  ¿De la ordinanza de Tucuman 
sobre PET?  ¿La nueva ley de Misiones sobre residuos domiciliarios?  ¿La 
ecotasa en Salto?  ¿Los proyectos sobre pilas en la Provincia de Buenos 
Aires?
            Como Ann y otros en la lista de Greenyes pueden atestar, la 
mayoria de estas cosas están discutidas en la sección de noticias en mi 
sitio de Internet, www.temasactuales.com  Quizás Ud. tendría interés en 
recibir el resumen mensual por e-mail de la noticias, que es gratis para 
cualquiera persona que entra su información en  el espacio indicado al 
lado izquierdo de cualquiera página de www.temasactuales.com.  Sospecho 
que sería de interés para Ud., aunque sale en inglés (la versión en 
español viene mas tarde en 2005).
            No, lamentablemente no vivo en Argentina, pero visito a su 
pais una vez cada año, por lo menos (como visito frecuentamente a varios 
paises en América Latina).  Vivo y trabajo en los EE.UU.  Propongo que 
nos reuinamos durante mi proxima visita a B.A.
Saludos Atentos,
Keith

vodriozo@no.address wrote:

> Keith,
>
> I certainly do not agree with your view on the chances of a zerow waste law here
> in Buenos Aires.  There's a new law draft submitted by the Head of the
> Environmental Comission only a few weeks ago and supported by different
> political sectors.  The Commission already started to discuss all the drafts
> this week and it is to legislae on MSW is their declared priority for this year.
>
> On the incineration issue I do agree it does not have high chances mainly
> becasue of community opposition that is and has been really strong.  However, th
> reason why I asked this list for the backround infomration is because some
> Representatives fear that this is the way (incineration) other places in the
> world are achieving waste diversion goals and that we could face that situation
> of not being able to achieve the diversion goals without it.  You may not be
> aware but some consideration is also being given at the national level to the
> use of waste as fuel in energy thermal plants within the city.
>
> There has definetely been progress on this in the last year, including a
> resolution on ZW approved last year by the local Parliament.
>
> I don't think the whole list is interested in the details so I'd be happy to
> keep on exchanging emails with you about this.  Where do you live?  Are you
> based in Argentina?
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Keith Ripley [mailto:vze3gxms@no.address]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 1:16 PM
> > To: Ann Leonard
> > Cc: greenyes@no.address
> > Subject: Re: [greenyes] RE: [GAIA]ZW goals without incineration?
> >
> > Annie,
> >             Don't start celebrating just yet.  While Greenpeace Argentina
> > has managed to get the issue on the table for discussion by getting the Zero
> > Waste bill introduced into the legislature of the Autonomous City of Buenos
> > Aires (CABA), its chances of actual passage are widely considered very slim.
> >             I don't think incineration is considered a serious option for
> > waste (other than infectious wastes) by most policymakers in CABA.
> > Given the ecological zoning process now in place in the City, any
> > incinerator within city limits would be opposed and delayed by years.
> > And it appears that the surrounding Province of Buenos Aires (PBA) is
> > unwilling to create an incinerator to receive CABA wastes.  Right now there
> > is a considerable battle over simply replacing the landfill that serves
> > CABA.
> > Regards,
> > Keith Ripley
> >
> > Ann Leonard wrote:
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> > > Dear Veronica,
> > >
> > > This is quite exciting to hear about Buenos Aires' progress towards
> > > Zero Waste.
> > >
> > > There is some information about model Zero Waste resolutions, U.S.
> > > cities with Zero Waste resolutions and other policy-oriented resources
> > > on the GRRN website at:
> > > http://www.grrn.org/zerowaste/resource_zw.html#Resolutions
> > >
> > > Keep us posted.
> > > Cheers
> > > Annie
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: gaia-members-admin@no.address
> > > [mailto:gaia-members-admin@no.address] On Behalf Of Veronica
> > > Odriozola
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:44 AM
> > > To: GAIA members; greenyes@no.address
> > > Subject: [GAIA]ZW goals without incineration?
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > we are currently persuing a ZW law to be approved in Buenos Aires city.
> > > And I would need to know which of the communities, States, etc., that
> > > have ZW commitments with waste diversion goals have been achieving them
> > > without incineration.  I need to compile information on other places
> > > that have ZW goals but without MSW incineration.  Could you help me?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance!
> > >
> > > Veronica
> > > (Argentina)
> > >
> > >
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> > Sr. Keith E. Ripley
> > Temas Actuales LLC
> > e-mail: keith.ripley@no.address
> > www.temasactuales.com
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> > Autor del libro "Solid Wastes and Recycling Policy in Latin America & the
> > Caribbean"
> > http://www.temasactuales.com/temas_in_print/index_wastebookpromo.html
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