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RE: [greenyes] working together


It's true that we should all be "conservatives," i.e. conserve the
resources of our precious planet. I vote for that anytime! However, the
true difference in opinion that seems to prevent all of us from working
together stems from a refusal to acknowledge the limit of available
resources, the scope of environmental problems, and the need to take
action soon. This is done to prevent any slowdown of economic growth
which is the holy grail of too many.
Overcoming these obstacles to a joint effort would be my goal for this
listserv discussion.
In the spirit of true democracy,

Heidi Feldman
Public Education Coordinator
Monterey Regional Waste Management District
Tel.: 831/384-5313 FAX: 831/384-3567

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Weisenbach [mailto:dan@no.address]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 2:56 PM
To: GreenYes
Subject: [greenyes] working together

We can certainly accomplish more if we all learn to work together.

Thanks Ken, for pointing out the "nonsense" in contrast to "common
sense" and
for injecting some humor into the discussion. Let me know if you here
anything
for sure about the end of the world coming soon because I'm tired of
working 16+
hours a day. It would be nice to take a few days off before The End of
the
Universe.

This may come as a surprise to many of you but it is quite possible for
Conservatives and Liberals; Democrats and Republicans; Libertarians and
Greens;
to all work together in the care of this planet's environment. It is so
counter-productive to even think that half the people are
"anti-environment".
It is a bad idea to blindly support any politician without examining the
"common
sense" of their position. If you really believe that Republicans want to
poison
the air and water; then you have totally bought into the most insidious
of
propaganda.

Do we all breathe the same air and drink the same water? Do we all have
homes
and jobs? Do we all use the Earth's resources in the way of energy,
paper, food,
etc.? Do we not all have a vested interest in conserving those resources
for
ourselves and future generations?

The TRUE differences in "conservatives" versus "liberals" are not much
different
in the ultimate goals. The difference is found mainly in the
methodology in
practice as what are believed to be the best courses of action to follow
as we
balance the use and preservation of our precious and limited resources.

Let's open a dialogue that recognizes our common goals as we openly
discuss
solutions. If we can work to understand the various sides of many issues
we
might actually accomplish something. It's OK to disagree and still be
great
friends.

I will enjoy our spirited, yet respectful discussions.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get up early tomorrow and vote.

Dan Weisenbach,
The Conservative Environmentalist
(or is it "Conservationist")

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On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:39:17 -0500, Ken McEntee wrote:
> Well then, to bring it back on-topic, can somebody please tell me
> where this nonsense came from about Bush's God-given duty being to
> exploit the Earth's resources? As somebody who is not a supporter
> of Bush (nor of Kerry, by the way. As always, our choices are bad
> and worse), I think it is irresponsible to spread such unfounded
> ridiculousness. There are plenty of questionable things we can
> bring up about Bush and the rest of his family as is the case with
> most politicians. We can debate about why we are in Iraq. We can
> despair at the record federal deficit. We can disagree with his
> environmental policies. But in doing so let's use some common
> sense. If you want to argue that he will exploit natural resources
> to make money, make your case. But Bush wants to use up all the
> Earth's resources before the Jewish preacher (his name is Jesus, by
> the way) comes back? You've got to be kidding me. And if the world
> IS going to end soon, like in the next couple years, can somebody
> let me know? I am working way too hard and if we only have a couple
> years left I think I might have enough saved up for retirement.
>
> Ken









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