Re: [greenyes] Sorry - as a general lurker

["Troy Glasner" <troypam@no.address>]

I haven't read the book but this sounds an awful lot like Natural
Economy -ish Amory Lovins and Paul Hawken if I'm not mistaken - if all
producers were mandated to take care of their own disposal - their argument
is higher prices - true - but with competition - whoever could make the
complete cycle the most efficient, effective and economical would ultimately
win - and hence no one including our precious environment would suffer.

Funny I think of the Coke bottles and how many kids would clean up the
ditches to get the 10-20 cents back /bottle and pay for the skateboards of
that time - and think - no incentive know - what to throw a plastic bottle
into a recycling box??

Why should I be held accountable and pay for a corporations wasteful habits?
Through our tax dollars we fund super funds that end up cleaning up a
brownfield that gave us cheap products anyway - so no matter what happens -
we pay - its a matter of how we pay for it and who's responsibility it is in
the first place.

Troy


----- Original Message -----
From: "Helen Spiegelman" <hspie@no.address>
To: <greenyes@no.address>
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: [greenyes] Sorry - as a general lurker


> Why are our Mayors and Councils willing to spend scarce public dollars to
> clean up after the Disposable Society?
>
> Where I live, Mayors and Councils put their collective feet down and
> insisted that the provincial government (British Columbia) pass
regulations
> requiring the producers of specific household hazardous products (paint,
> thinners, pesticides, pharmaceuticals, lube oil) provide programs for
their
> consumers at no cost to local governments. Today we don't have to budget
> scarce tax dollars for collectin of these materials -- or for glass
> beverage containers, which are included in our deposit/return program.
>
> Why should cities and towns pay for programs that could and should be
> provided by the producers, as a form of mandatory "extended warrantee"?
>
> Helen.
>
> At 01:56 PM 04/10/2003 -0500, George Dreckmann wrote:
> >ya gotta have a budget to afford to add most material.  Toxics demand
> >money to pay for proper disposal and most high volume materials demand an
> >increase in collection or [processing capacity.  So, while you often get
> >long term benefits, you have to put up some cash to get things
> >going.  And, with my budget at least, the Council and Mayor have to
choose
> >between garbage and child care or some other needed social program when
it
> >comes to new spending.
>