[GreenYes] Re: Healthy Business Strategies report from Clean Production Action

["Mike Morin" <mikemorin@no.address>]

Korten's first book, "When Corporations Rule The World" was excellent. I 
recommend it. His second book, to which you refer is weak relative to 
proposing a workable alternative.

Another related book is called "Changing Course" by Steven Schmidheiny. I 
recommend it as it tries to map out a way in which sustainability can be 
achieved in the Capitalist system. In effect what SS does is prove that the 
Capitalist system can not be a vehicle for progressive change to a 
sustainable world, let alone considerations of equity.


MM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Jaber" <djaber@no.address>
To: "Helen Spiegelman" <hspie@no.address>
Cc: "Greenyes List" <GreenYes@no.address>
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:51 PM
Subject: [GreenYes] Re: Healthy Business Strategies report from Clean 
Production Action


>
> Well said, Helen.
>
> Thought leaders have been working on this subject for years.  One I'd
> recommend is
> David Korten's "The Post-Corporate World" for those that haven't read
> it.
>
> Let's recognize and fix the problems of capitalism, and green companies
> along the way.
>
> On Tuesday, Jun 27, 2006, at 13:54 US/Pacific, Helen Spiegelman wrote:
>
>>
>> Peace activists from all over the world are gathered in my fair city
>> (Vancouver, Canada) this week for the World Peace Forum. They are
>> talking
>> in hundreds of intense, well-attended sessions about how to get past
>> war
>> and conflict. One of the sessions I attended was an exercise in "deep
>> dialogue." The premise of deep dialogue is that we are going to have
>> to get
>> people with what seem like fundamentally opposed views working through
>> the
>> issues in order to achieve workable solutions (think "restorative
>> justice"
>> which is a deep dialogue between victims and perpetrators of crimes).
>>
>> I came away persuaded that this can be done by de-constructing opposing
>> positions. In the present instance: what is it, specifically, within
>> the
>> "Capitalist modus operandi" that does not work for us? What elements
>> can we
>> break out and negotiate on, rather than trashing the Capitalist modus
>> operandi in its entirety?
>>
>> This is what Product Policy Institute is wrestling with when we talk
>> about
>> "good governance". Commerce is a part of the human experience. How can
>> we
>> tame commerce so it serves humans and the environment? Can we really
>> imagine a world without any commerce whatsoever? (Will the first
>> person who
>> never bought anything please raise your hand?)
>>
>> Helen.
>>
>> At 01:12 PM 6/27/2006, Mike Morin wrote:
>>
>>> Is this progress or is it greenwash (i.e. public relations)?
>>>
>>> While McDonough's work is admirable and desirable, I sincerely
>>> believe that
>>> we can not build an equitable and sustainable culture (i.e. economy)
>>> by
>>> trying to green the Capitalist modus operandi.
>>>
>>>
>>> MM
>
>
> >
> 



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