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RE: [greenyes] Plastic bottles pile up as mountains of waste

Hello Dan,

We couldn't agree more. The reasons were poorly worded. Not our doing I
might add. We didn't know there would even be a question. Wish they had
asked us for some suggested wording. These polls are anything but
scientific as you well know. I think the key words here were "Should
Congress pass a national law requiring a deposit on all beverage
containers?" Poll after poll shows that container deposit legislation is
popular with the public. It's quite possible that many voters never even
saw the idiotic reasons given on the msnbc poll. Three polls conducted by
reputable polling firms were released last year in New York, Iowa and
Michigan. All have had a deposit law for more than 20 years. In all three
polls 85% or more of the registered voters polled said they approved of the
law and 75% or more in each state thought the law should be expanded to
include non-carbonated beverages.
Pat Franklin
Patricia Franklin
Executive Director
Container Recycling Institute
1601 North Kent Street, Suite 803
Arlington, VA 22209-2105
TEL: 703.276.9800
FAX: 703.276.9587
EMAIL: pfranklin@no.address

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Weisenbach [mailto:dan@no.address]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 5:42 PM
To: Christine McCoy; Recycling Works; Greenyes@no.address Org; Jtrnet@no.address
Rtpnc. Epa. Gov
Subject: Re: [greenyes] Plastic bottles pile up as mountains of waste

Unfortunately, the results from this poll are completely useless. The
question is so poorly worded that the choice of responses is not directly
related to the question of a national bottle bill.


Should Congress pass a national law requiring a deposit on all beverage

- Yes, the amount being trashed is getting out of hand.

- No, it takes more energy to recycle those containers than to make new

- Can't decide


<<<<there have been over 6920 responses, with the results running:

Yes 83%

No 13%

Can't decide 4%


My guess is that the result would be very different if the response
choices were different.

What if . . .

Yes = We need a burdensome bureaucracy to cripple small businesses,
increase the costs of groceries and jeopardize the health of the public.

No = we should encourage more recycling of plastic bottles by lowering
taxes on new businesses, supporting tort reform, and eliminating property
taxes on machinery and inventory.


The above is merely an illustration of how a poll can be skewed to achieve
any outcome.

When the NFIB (National Federation of Independent Business) conducts a
poll of its members, they give the history of the question, a description of
the proposal and supply a pro and con debate on the topic. Then the choices
are 1) Yes, 2) No, 3) Undecided, and 4) not interested.

I can imagine that people will quote the results of this MSNBC poll and
then be dumbfounded when legislation is not passed. Some might even complain
of "voting irregularities."

Think it through.

Dan Weisenbach

Vice-Chairman, Ohio Department of Natural Resources - Division of
Recycling and Litter Prevention Advisory Council

Weisenbach Specialty Printing Inc.

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:41:45 -0500, Christine McCoy wrote:
> Plastic bottles pile up as mountains of waste
> Americans are guzzling more water out of plastic bottles than ever
> before, but recycling fewer -- in part because so many of the
> bottles are used outside the home.

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