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Fw: [greenyes] Relationship of Global Warming to Recycling
I don't think that this level of detail is what the list serve is thinking 
of plowing through when it comes to work in the morning, but, since, 
Stephen's question has been posted and led to other questions, here is the 
answer I gave him.

To make life manageable for everyone, let me suggest that those who want to 
get into the details let me know and we can form a smaller off-list working 
group to plow through this, because in one thing Stephen is absolutely 
right, everyone should stand ready to substantiate their factual assertions 
when asked to do so.  After we work through all this, we can report back to 
the listserve what our final conclusions are a brief summation.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Peter Anderson
To: sp@no.address
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [greenyes] Relationship of Global Warming to Recycling


    I'll be getting you something more detailed just as soon as I have a 
working draft for distribution.

    But, in the meantime, I read EPA's three percent value to be for 
landfills only, inasmuch as wastewater treatment is shown on another line of 
the table.  But, if you have better information conclusively to the opposite 
effect, do pass that along.

    Yes, EPA's 3 percent number is built on 51% of landfills (weighted by 
waste volume) is at sites without gas collection. Going forward in an 
incremental sense, however, on a volume weighted basis, non-NSPS sites do 
not really seem to me to be a factor in the equation.  In any event, the 
same multiplier that would be used to correct the 3 percent number for the 
true lifetime capture rate, would be applied against the same 193 Tg CO2 Eq, 
regardless of the fraction of landfills assumed to have gas collection on a 
weighted basis.

    Interesting that you also point to EPA's offset for energy recovery. 
First thing, as my report describes, is that this offset only becomes an 
item of significance IF one assumes high lifetime capture rates.  In fact, 
while there is a 61% reduction in emissions when 75% lifetime capture rates 
are assumed, that net gain drops to 5% when a 20% figure is used, as I 
believe is far more representative of average real world conditions. The 
second thing that is not commonly understood is that the landfill operator 
manages the site very differently for energy recovery, than when the 
collected gases are just flared.
    To economically recover the latent energy value in landfill gas with the 
equipment currently available, the gas collection systems are typically 
operated in ways intended to maximize methane capture and generation, which 
has distinct differences from managing a waste field to minimize fugitive 
emissions. For that reason, energy recovery can work at cross-purposes with 
gas collection.

    To optimize gas collection, the system should be operated for maximum 
extraction at all times, short of overpumping and drawing air from the 
surface that might cause a fire. For gas is continuously being generated 
and, if released uncontrolled, the emissions threaten health and the global 
environment. That is not always what happens when energy recovery is added 
to the equation.

    The two can work at cross-purposes because, the new need to maximize 
only high Btu gas imposes competing demands. Electric generation requires a 
ratio of methane to carbon dioxide of close to 50%. When negative pressures 
are exerted to extract methane out of the waste load, significant volumes of 
condensed moisture - necessary for further methane production - is drawn out 
of the refuse at the same time. If the collection systems continue pulling 
gas, without adequate moisture remaining behind, the proportion of methane 
in the landfill gas will fall below the level needed for the generators that 
produce electricity, and the surrounding field will be tapped out as a power 

    To prevent that, gas managers throttle back on those wells where low 
methane ratios are recorded in order to give that surrounding field time to 
recharge. But, when gas collection is postponed to give time for methane 
levels to restore the necessary high Btu levels for power engines or 
turbines to work, more of the landfill gases escape uncontrolled to the 
atmosphere. The fact that the uncollected emissions are low Btu gas does 
nothing to minimize the health impacts from the hazardous compounds on 
neighbors and only a little to lessen the proportion of methane per cubic 
foot of landfill gas adding to climate change.

    Another reason that landfill owners that manage the site for maximum 
energy recover may dampen the negative pressures is to be doubly sure that 
they are not drawing any air. For the presence of oxygen at far lower levels 
than cause explosions can poison methanogenesis. Protecting anaerobic 
conditions from air infiltration by reducing suction is another reason that 
managers for energy recovery will have tend to experience more difficulty in 
pulling gas from the far side of the zones of influence.

    Unfortunately, data on landfill gas is so fragmented at the national and 
state level that it is impossible to document the magnitude of the 
difference in gas efficiency in comparable landfills with gas collection 
that have energy recovery from those that do not.

    But, until we get real data, I would have to guess that the resulting 
losses in collection efficiency that arise in the real world when managing a 
site for energy generation far exceed the very small net offset of 5% when 
more realistic lifetime gas collection rates are used.

    Do, though, give me a week or two to get this report ready to review.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stephan Pollard
  To: RecycleWorlds
  Cc: GreenYes
  Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [greenyes] Relationship of Global Warming to Recycling



        Included in that litany is the inability to prevent the 
contemporaneous release of most of the gases generated in landfills, 46%-50% 
of which is methane, a greenhouse gas more than 21 times as virulent as CO2. 
Although hard data does not exist, based upon what is known, almost 
certainly less than 25%, and probably less than 20% of the lifetime 
emissions are actually captured.  The vast majority of methane emitted from 
in landfills, which does not exist in the garbage we discard, but instead is 
generated in significant quantities only in the anaerobic (or oxygen 
starved) conditions of large lined landfills, adds substantially to 
mankind's climate-changing gases, very likely in the U.S. greater than 10% 
of the total.

  To put things a bit more into perspective.  Assuming the science employed 
was "good" according to the The Inventory of U.S. Greenhouse Gas Emissions 
and Sinks: 1990 - 2002 published by the US EPA in April of 2004 waste 
activities as a portion of all US GHG emissions represented 3.4% (237.2 
Terragrams of Carbon Dioxide Equivalent) in 2002.  The term "waste" includes 
landfills, wastewater treatment, and human sewage.  That 3.4% includes 
methane and nitrogen oxide and relatively insignificant amounts of other 
GHG.  Nitrogen oxide (a hugely more "virulent" GHG than methane) is 
associated with human sewage while methane is associated with landfills and 
wastewater treatment.

  The EPA estimates that LFG recovery systems have an efficiency of 75%.  It 
also estimates that 49% of all landfill methane was generated at landfills 
with recovery systems, and the remaining 51% was generated at landfills 
without LFG recovery.  Additionally, of the 49% of all methane generated at 
landfills with LFG recovery, 49% (or 24% percent of all methane) was 
generated at landfills that use LFG to generate electricity, and 51% (or 25% 
of all methane) at landfills that flare LFG (flaring removes the virulency). 
See EPA 2002. EPA530-R-02-006 - Solid Waste Management and Greenhouse Gases: 
A Life-Cycle Assessment of Emissions and Sinks.

  All in all the contribution of landfilling US style to US GHG emissions 
would seem to be arguably insignificant relative to the amount of carbon 
dioxide being pumped skyward from power plants, automobiles, volcanic 
eruptions, forest fires, etc. even more so when you consider the portion of 
methane currently being collected in landfill gas operations.

  Respectively Yours,



    Peter Anderson
    4513 Vernon Blvd. Suite 15
    Madison, WI 53705
    (608) 231-1100 / Fax 233-0011
Stephan Pollard
Environmental Dynamics Doctoral Program
University of Arkansas
Rm 113 Ozark Hall
Fayetteville, AR 72701
Tel: (479) 575-6603 

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