Hello GreenYes:
I am writing from Plymouth Minnesota. I am the Solid Waste Coordinator for
the city and we are currently researching the use and potential purchase of
a hybrid auto to include in our pool of city vehicles. I am looking for
some information (facts/figures) on the benefits to using a ULEV auto. What
is the reduction in pollution and ultimate effect on the green house gas
effects. Given this is a California emission standard, anyone from CRRA
have some figures available? Thanks for your help.
Kris Hageman
Khageman@ci.plymouth.mn.us
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Today's Topics:
[GRRN] Coke is back in glass
[ William P McGowan <kai@umail.ucsb.edu> ]
Re: [GRRN] Coke is back in glass
[ Martin.Lawrence@epamail.epa.gov ]
Re: greenyes-d Digest V00 #5
[ Tanis Skislak <tskisl@yahoo.com> ]
Re: [GRRN] Coke is back in glass
[ "George Rutherford" <GeorgeR@NRC-Recycle.org> ]
[GRRN] Job opening: Recycling Assistant with Monterey
County [ "Schkolnick, Karen Ext.4617" <schkolnickk@co.monterey.ca.us>
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Re: [GRRN] Coke is back in glass
[ RESRECYCLE@aol.com ]
Re: [GRRN] Coke is back in glass
[ Pete Pasterz <ppasterz@pplant.msu.edu> ]
Re: [GRRN] Coke is back in glass
[ Steve1092@aol.com ]
Re: [GRRN] Coke is back in glass
[ Pat Franklin <CRI@Container-Recycling.org> ]
[GRRN] Online Discussion on CRT Recycling
[ "Dawn Amore" <DawnA@NRC-Recycle.org> ]
[GRRN] Municipal recycling collections from apartments
[ "Marjorie J. Clarke" <mclarke@shiva.hunter.cuny.edu> ]
Re: [GRRN] Coke [
Myra Nissen <myracycl@inreach.com> ]
Re: [GRRN] Municipal recycling collections from
apartments, NYC [ Steve1092@aol.com ]
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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 07:26:35 -0800 (PST)
From: William P McGowan <kai@umail.ucsb.edu>
To: RecycleWorlds <anderson@msn.fullfeed.com>
cc: GreenYes <greenyes@earthsystems.org>
Subject: [GRRN] Coke is back in glass
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I noticed yesterday in the WSJ that Coca Cola is returning
to glass
bottles to rejuventae its old image--the bottles will be the
same green
glass variety that Coke always used in its "Classic" look.
For all the uproar over Coke going to plastic, one would
think the
environmental community would cheer this development. But
maybe this good
news would get in the way of organizing yet another boycott,
etc.
--
William P. McGowan
UCSB History/Rincon Recycling
805-240-3448/805-658-6526-FAX
kai@umail.ucsb.edu
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Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 10:47:15 -0500
From: Martin.Lawrence@epamail.epa.gov
To: kai@umail.ucsb.edu
Cc: greenyes@earthsystems.org
Subject: Re: [GRRN] Coke is back in glass
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Yea! Hurray. Lets cancel the boycot right away and give
Coke a big advertising
award.
Coke has always kept their product in bottles, and they look
just like the ones
that used to be returnable
for refund, but of course no longer are. Less than 1% of
their product I'd
guess, but does anyone know for
certain?
Larry Martin
kai@umail.ucsb.edu on 01/06/2000 10:26:35 AM
To: anderson@msn.fullfeed.com
cc: greenyes@earthsystems.org
Subject: [GRRN] Coke is back in glass
I noticed yesterday in the WSJ that Coca Cola is returning
to glass
bottles to rejuventae its old image--the bottles will be the
same green
glass variety that Coke always used in its "Classic" look.
For all the uproar over Coke going to plastic, one would
think the
environmental community would cheer this development. But
maybe this good
news would get in the way of organizing yet another boycott,
etc.
--
William P. McGowan
UCSB History/Rincon Recycling
805-240-3448/805-658-6526-FAX
kai@umail.ucsb.edu
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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:29:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Tanis Skislak <tskisl@yahoo.com>
To: greenyes@earthsystems.org
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Regarding the Washington Post article, over the
years I have heard Mr. Porter make some strange
comments but luckily, the audience has either
been small enough or astute enough that the
damage is controllable. Given his credentials,
one would think that a person in Mr. Porter's
position would know better. Living up to last
year's resolution to be kinder, I could suppose
that his comments were taken out of context by
the reporter. Living up to this year's
resolution that it is easier to accomplish my
goal if the goal is to bring everyone else down
to my level, I could suppose that this is just
what Mr. Porter said. Alas, when I put these
comments into the context of the others, I must
conclude that he did indeed say that.His comments
in this vast arena give me the shivers and I was
wondering if anyone else had the same reaction.
Maybe we just need a simple fact sheet on
recycling that addresses the basic issues of 1.
What does recycling cost? 2. What does trash
cost? 3. What is included in "cost?" 4. Why is
the easier and cheaper way the "better" way? 5.
What is "better" anyway? Better for whom, better
when, better than what? 6. Is the value of
recycling absolute or is it on a continuum? Is
the value measured discretely by each local
government involved in collection programs or is
it to be measured in the regional, statewide,
national and global aggregate? 7. Is the benefit
to be measured in the short term (as in "I must
have money in the bank: I have still have
checks!) or is it to be measured in the long
terms (as in mutual funds when we have to stay in
it for the long term if we want a return on our
investment). 8. If the process of recycling
produces pollution, isn't there a baseline
against which the amount of pollution should be
measured or are we again looking at an "absolute"
versus "relative" impact.
After I read Mr. Porter's comments about having
already captured the "easy -to-get stuff" and his
query of whether we really want to collect and
recycle "hot dog wrappers and kitty litter" I
then came across an article by Chaz Miller in
which he is discussing the "value" of recycling
and makes a comment about the "law of diminishing
returns." I respect Mr. Miller and have for a
long time so I am not trying to put him into an
association with Mr. Porter. I mention Chaz
because the concept of the law of diminishing
returns is more appropriate when examining the
dregs of a program or the dregs of a population
base and you try to determine if the financial
cost outweighs the environmental benefit. It
seems to me that Mr. Porter has started in on the
law of diminishing returns not in relation to the
dregs of the program but way before the national
apex has been reached.
These little wars keep cropping up because we do
not have a united vision on recycling. It's a
large country and we are very fragmented. I see
the division as analogous to democrats versus
republicans. The republicans ask "what is the
immediate financial cost?" and the democrats tend
to reply "who cares,it's for kids and grandkids."
Neither side validates the other's view and the
dichotomy continues. When do we get to a party
of "demolicans" or "republicrats" who agree that
it is inherently wrong to waste our resources
just because we can and because it is easier?
When do we agree that "cost" is not simply a
matter of dollars? When do we agree that the
philosphy of recycling is good because it is a
long-term strategy based on conservation of what
we have? When do we agree that when dealing with
the dregs, it does not make sense to go after the
small amounts be they small amounts of materials
in small communities or be they small amounts
left over after the majority has been recycled.
Maybe there is one party that will come out of
this all: the Redems. Now there's an idea!
Tanis Skislak
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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:47:09 -0400
From: "George Rutherford" <GeorgeR@NRC-Recycle.org>
To: RecycleWorlds <anderson@msn.fullfeed.com>,
William P McGowan <kai@umail.ucsb.edu>
CC: GreenYes <greenyes@earthsystems.org>
Subject: Re: [GRRN] Coke is back in glass
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That is certainly good news especially considering that
glass
typically has a fair of amount of recycled content. Now
let's hope
that the distribution is widespread.
> I noticed yesterday in the WSJ that Coca Cola is returning
to glass
> bottles to rejuventae its old image--the bottles will be
the same green
> glass variety that Coke always used in its "Classic" look.
>
> For all the uproar over Coke going to plastic, one would
think the
> environmental community would cheer this development. But
maybe this good
> news would get in the way of organizing yet another
boycott, etc.
>
>
> --
> William P. McGowan
> UCSB History/Rincon Recycling
> 805-240-3448/805-658-6526-FAX
> kai@umail.ucsb.edu
>
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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:11:25 -0800
From: "Schkolnick, Karen Ext.4617"
<schkolnickk@co.monterey.ca.us>
To: "'greenyes@earthsystems.org'"
<greenyes@earthsystems.org>
Subject: [GRRN] Job opening: Recycling Assistant with
Monterey County
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Please post this announcement:
RECYCLING & RESOURCE RECOVERY ASSISTANT: $15.57 -
$19.27 /hourly.
The Environmental Health Division of the Monterey County
Health Department
is looking for qualified individuals to assist in
coordinating,
implementing, and monitoring waste reduction and recycling
programs for
residents of single and multi-family dwellings, industries,
institutions,
commercial establishments and local government. Currently,
there are
openings for two full-time temporary positions. The list
established by
this recruitment may be used to fill future benefited
positions. We
anticipate conducting selection interviews during the week
of February 14,
2000.
TO APPLY: Application materials may be obtained at:
Monterey County
Salinas Courthouse, Human Resources Division, 240 Church
Street, Room 218,
P.O. Box 1877, Salinas, CA 93902 or by calling (831)
755-5116. Submit a
completed Monterey County Application and response to the
Supplemental
Questions to the Monterey County Human Resources Division by
the final
filing date. Resumes will not be accepted in lieu of the
required
application materials.
FINAL FILING DATE: Friday, January 28, 2000 by 5:00 P.M.
(Postmarks and
faxes not accepted)
Karen Schkolnick
Monterey County
(831) 755-4617
schkolnickk@co.monterey.ca.us
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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:55:52 EST
From: RESRECYCLE@aol.com
To: greenyes@earthsystems.org
Subject: Re: [GRRN] Coke is back in glass
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Some facts on the Coke bottle. It is mainly for promotional
purposes (e.g.,
it will first be linked to the Super Bowl ads, etc.) and is
tied to the
relaunching of Coke Classic. They'll give away one million
cold sodas in
glass at movie theaters, shopping malls, etc. It will then
be sold in 75
metropolitan areas, but mostly in cold cases at convenience
markets. Thus,
the vast majority of Coke will still be marketed in plastic
and aluminum.
Jerry Powell
Editor
Container Recycling Report
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Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 13:51:45 -0500
From: Pete Pasterz <ppasterz@pplant.msu.edu>
To: Martin.Lawrence@epamail.epa.gov, kai@umail.ucsb.edu
Cc: greenyes@earthsystems.org
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Larry--
I agree with the sentiment, but to be "technically correct",
they are returnable for deposit in the 10 states and 1 municipality which
REQUIRE them to do so. The more important issue, and I'm sure is what you
were alluding to is that these "designer/image" bottles are not REFILLABLE,
and thus do not yield the environmental benefits of multi-use; even better
net energy savings than any transport gains of use of plastic.
And, the 6-packs in our area are about $4 for 48 TOTAL
ounces of product!! Usually, the 8 packs of 20 oz plastic bottles are on
"sale" for $2.50--about 25% of the cost per ounce! Quite an economic
disincentive to buy the recycled/recyclable one-use glass! No wonder they
can claim that the consumers overwhelming choice is for plastic!
Pete Pasterz
>>> <Martin.Lawrence@epamail.epa.gov> 01/06/00 10:44AM >>>
Yea! Hurray. Lets cancel the boycot right away and give
Coke a big advertising
award.
Coke has always kept their product in bottles, and they look
just like the ones
that used to be returnable
for refund, but of course no longer are. Less than 1% of
their product I'd
guess, but does anyone know for
certain?
Larry Martin
kai@umail.ucsb.edu on 01/06/2000 10:26:35 AM
To: anderson@msn.fullfeed.com
cc: greenyes@earthsystems.org
Subject: [GRRN] Coke is back in glass
I noticed yesterday in the WSJ that Coca Cola is returning
to glass
bottles to rejuventae its old image--the bottles will be the
same green
glass variety that Coke always used in its "Classic" look.
For all the uproar over Coke going to plastic, one would
think the
environmental community would cheer this development. But
maybe this good
news would get in the way of organizing yet another boycott,
etc.
!
!
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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:26:03 EST
From: Steve1092@aol.com
To: greenyes@earthsystems.org
Subject: Re: [GRRN] Coke is back in glass
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I prefer aluminum cans myself over glass and plastic, which
is most commonly recycled. Canned sodas can often be found on sale and
doesn't shatter as glass does. While we're speaking of packaging, 6 pack
rings, and 12/24 pack paperboard is difficult to recycle. Are #4(LDPE)
plastic rings recyclable with #4(LDPE) plastic grocery bags?
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Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 15:17:25 -0800
From: Pat Franklin <CRI@Container-Recycling.org>
To: GreenYes <greenyes@earthsystems.org>
Cc: William P McGowan <kai@umail.ucsb.edu>
Subject: Re: [GRRN] Coke is back in glass
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Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. I believe that while
the these
'classic' hourglass glass bottle LOOK like the old fashioned
returnable
glass bottles, Coke is not taking them back for refilling.
These bottles
are more wasteful than the one-way stubby Coke bottles of
not-to-distant
past because they are heavier than the stubbies. What is
worse -- they are
actually refillable bottles that Coke refuses to refill.
This is hardly a step in the right direction and certainly
nothing to cheer
about. In fact, it might qualify as the first BOO of the
21st century,
except that they've been marketing this no-return, classic
bottle for
several years.
Hold your cheers!!!!!
Pat Franklin
Container Recycling Institute
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At 07:26 AM 1/6/00 -0800, you wrote:
>I noticed yesterday in the WSJ that Coca Cola is returning
to glass
>bottles to rejuventae its old image--the bottles will be
the same green
>glass variety that Coke always used in its "Classic" look.
>
>For all the uproar over Coke going to plastic, one would
think the
>environmental community would cheer this development. But
maybe this good
>news would get in the way of organizing yet another
boycott, etc.
>
>
>--
>William P. McGowan
>UCSB History/Rincon Recycling
>805-240-3448/805-658-6526-FAX
>kai@umail.ucsb.edu
>
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>
Pat Franklin
Executive Director
Container Recycling Institute
1911 Ft Myer Drive, Suite 900
Arlington, Virginia 22209
703.276.9800 fax 276-9587
CRI@Container-Recycling.org
www.Container-Recycling.org
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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:54:09 -0500
From: "Dawn Amore" <DawnA@NRC-Recycle.org>
To: greenyes@earthsystems.org
Subject: [GRRN] Online Discussion on CRT Recycling
Message-Id: <200001062153.QAA04726@hq.capu.net>
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NRC's next online discussion on electronics recycling will
be as
follows:
- Proper Management of Cathode Ray Tubes (CRTs)
Thursday, January 13 at 2:00 p.m. ET (11:00 a.m. PT) to 3:30
p.m.
(Discussions are now 90 minutes.)
NRC has invited several experts and posted several documents
on
CRT management, which will give you an overview of different
strategies. Please read through the documents and come to
the
discussion prepared with your questions. (Questions may
also be
posted in advance to the message board in the forum.) You
may
access the documents, message board, and chat room through
the
following website:
http://www.nrc-recycle.org/Programs/electronics/online.htm
Several people have experienced problems in accessing the
chat
room. PLEASE TEST YOUR ACCESS TO THE CHAT ROOM IN
ADVANCE. If you continue to have problems, please follow
the
instructions found on the following website:
http://www.nrc-recycle.org/Programs/electronics/usernotes.htm
We look forward to your participation.
Later in January:
- Proper Management of End-of-Life Electronic Products
(other than
CRTs)
Thursday, January 27 at 2:00 p.m. ET (11:00 a.m. PT) to 3:30
p.m.
====================================
Dawn Amore
National Recycling Coalition
1727 King Street, Suite 105
Alexandria, VA 22314-2720
Phone: (703) 683-9025, ext. 205
Fax: (703) 683-9026
E-mail: dawna@nrc-recycle.org
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Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 11:31:00 -0500
From: "Marjorie J. Clarke" <mclarke@shiva.hunter.cuny.edu>
To: greenyes@earthsystems.org
Subject: [GRRN] Municipal recycling collections from
apartments
Message-Id:
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Viv wanted to know:
Please let me know of towns that provide recycling and trash
service
> to all condos and apartment buildings (in or outside of
> Massachusetts).
New York City Dept of Sanitation collects garbage and
recyclables from all
residential buildings (all sizes) and institutions in the
City. These are
collected on the same routes, irrespective of size (i.e.
they don't have
special routes for special buildings, with one exception:
there is a
containerized recycling program where dumpsters are issued
to especially
large apartment buildings). Recyclables have been collected
from apartment
buildings since 1988. The current overall diversion rate of
the
residential recycling program (all sizes of buildings) is
just under 20%.
Maggie Clarke, Ph.D.
Instructor, Rutgers University Geography Dept.
http://everest.hunter.cuny.edu/~mclarke/index.htm
New York City Phone & Fax: 212-567-8272
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Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 15:41:19 -0700
From: Myra Nissen <myracycl@inreach.com>
To: greenyes@earthsystems.org
Subject: Re: [GRRN] Coke
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I just heard on the radio that the National Endowment for
the Arts is
funding an anthropologist to New Guinea to study the
cultural and
sociological implications of Coke.
That would be a study to read... it would give more
understanding to the
popularity of Coke and perhaps ammunition to the cause.
Myra Nissen
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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:55:03 EST
From: Steve1092@aol.com
To: greenyes@earthsystems.org
Subject: Re: [GRRN] Municipal recycling collections from
apartments, NYC
Message-ID: <87.878fafc7.25a6af87@aol.com>
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Extensive information regarding New York City's recycling
program is
available on their webpage at <A
HREF="http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/dos/html/bw_home/index.html">http://www.c
i.
nyc.ny.us/html/dos/html/bw_home/index.html</A>
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