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[GreenYes] Re: Recycle Offset Credits?


Title: [GreenYes] Re: Recycle Offset Credits?

Thanks for your clear thinking and your agency's high-quality program 
development.


Mary Lou



On Jun 23, 2008, at 1:13 PM, David Assmann wrote:

> Two comments on this ongoing discussion:
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> 1) Additionality has to be a factor in this discussion. In the example
> listed by Rebecca Jewell below, if this program was gone to be set up
> anyway, to meet either AB 939 requirements or because the City had
> diversion goals, then there should be no carbon credits given to 
> anyone.
> The whole idea behind the concept of carbon credits is that they are
> created for new programs that wouldn't exist otherwise.
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> 2) Because it is so difficult to verify carbon reductions, we're 
> working on
> creating our own local carbon fund, that would be both verifiable 
> and give
> the benefits of the carbon reductions to the local community, rather 
> than
> sending funding elsewhere.  In trying to set up this fund, we've 
> focused on
> three local projects - solar installations in low income 
> neighborhoods,
> refrigerator replacement in public housing and setting up a biodiesel
> fueling station (using grease collected from restaurants). The carbon
> offsets produced by each of these projects will cost close to $100 a 
> ton
> (which is a realistic assessment of what it really costs to do carbon
> offsets on a local level.)
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> David Assmann, Deputy Director
> San Francisco Department of the Environment
> 11 Grove Street, San Francisco, CA 94102 (415) 355-3702
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> The use of SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES has been found to cause climate
> change intensifying floods, hurricanes, droughts, and rainforest 
> fires,
> which can lead to the death of millions of people & other living 
> things.
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>             Mary Lou Van
>             Deventer
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> <marylouvan@no.address                                          To
>             ore.us>                   "Jewell, Rebecca " <RJewell@no.address
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>             GreenYes@no.address         "Neil Tangri" <neil@no.address
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>             oups.com                  "Curt McNamara" <mcnam025@no.address
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>             06/23/2008 12:57          [GreenYes] Re: Recycle Offset
>             PM                        Credits?
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> Good question.  Looks like a pyramid scheme, yes?
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> Mary Lou Van Deventer
> Urban Ore
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> On Jun 23, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Jewell, Rebecca wrote:
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>> Follow up question to this conversation...
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>> If a City starts a recycling program, does outreach for
>> participation, hires a collection company who sorts the material and
>> sells it to brokers who then sell it to refiners who process it some
>> more (clean it, melt it, color sort it, etc) who then sell it to
>> manufacturers who make it into new products, who gets the carbon
>> credits for "recycling"?
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>> Is it the City?
>> collection company?
>> broker?
>> the refiner?
>> manufacturer?
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>> In the case of the City, they may be capping and trading under their
>> County or State laws.
>> But the collection company might be capping and trading in another
>> system.
>> And the broker, refiner and manufacturer might not even be in the
>> United States...
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>> I'm just wondering what this would look like, if it became reality...
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>> Rebecca Jewell
>> Recycling Programs Manager
>> Davis Street Station for Material Recycling & Transfer
>> A Waste Management company
>> 510-563-4214
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>> Fun Fact: Waste Management recycled more than 5 million tons of
>> commodities last year; preventing the release of more than 3.4
>> million metric tons of greenhouse gas emissions.
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