Title: [GreenYes] Re: 2 new messages in 2 topics - digest
With regard to my recent posting about tire burning, please excuse my
poor proof reading. Here is the correction---
Erie Renewable Energy has stated that they will use 800 tons per day
or 292,000 tons per year.
Sorry for any inconvenience.
On Nov 10, 2007, at 3:45 AM, GreenYes group wrote:
> Today's topics:
> * "total recycling" isn't Zero Waste... and who are they fooling
> here anyway? -
> 1 messages, 1 author
> * Mayor Bloomberg supports Pigovian fees on carbon emissions - 1
> messages, 1
> TOPIC: "total recycling" isn't Zero Waste... and who are they
> fooling here
> == 1 of 1 ==
> Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 3:14 am
> From: precycled
> Thanks Eric - here's another link for the Lancashire example:
> Yes, source separation is the obvious route; underused in the UK due
> to government's view that managing residual waste means technology,
> and that delivering the technology means Private Finance Initiative
> contracts (which allow public views to be ignored). At national and
> County levels there is rarely any mention that residual waste can be
> managed in large part by progressively recycling and composting more.
> Funding for waste services and technical advice on waste are
> centralised so Councils are herded towards PFI-based technical
> This situation presents an interesting challenge for Pigouvian fees.
> What happens when governments don't have the vision, will or technical
> competence to recognise a sustainable waste strategy? How could they
> possibly design the economic vehicles to get us there? It would seem
> that (in Europe at least) we have Pigouvian corrections exactly
> consistent with government vision and fondness of central control.
> GreenYes members may enjoy this review of European Union thinking on
> market-based instruments, http://www.blindspot.org.uk/
> which presents the typical governmental approach and some of the
> issues this overlooks. For example in government there is not even an
> awareness (as posted by Neil Seldman) that the same pollution pricing
> scheme might apply to both climate and waste issues.
> Interesting discussion about cap and trade vs cap and tax. Could also
> consider whether taxes (or other forms of Pigouvian fees) when
> reinvested in making less wasteful choices cheaper could make capping
> redundant. Sustainably reformed markets might turn out to be more
> powerful than political constraints on unsustainable markets. Given
> that the international political process has seen 15 years pass
> without any global emissions cuts we may find that market reforms
> could also work faster.
> Best wishes
> James Greyson
> On Nov 7, 8:54 pm, "Eric Lombardi" <e...@no.address> wrote:
>> 'Total recycling' aims to make landfill history
>> A company that has patented its new recycling process is the
>> commercial face
>> of a trend towards "zero waste", in which every last gram of
>> rubbish is reused
>> I feel like repeating a new version of that old Clinton Campaign
>> slogan .
>> "It's Source Separation Stupid!"
> TOPIC: Mayor Bloomberg supports Pigovian fees on carbon emissions
> == 1 of 1 ==
> Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 8:22 am
> From: "Doug Koplow"
> A cap and trade system grants free pollution only if the initial
> allocation of credits is granted for free. If the grants are
> auctioned, the price signals are comparable to those from a carbon
> tax. A credit system provides greater certainty on the quantity of
> emissions; a tax system on the price. My personal preference is a
> tax approach due to potentially easier administration. Loopholes
> and gaming are possible under both systems -- most commonly through
> special tax exemptions (the proposed Clinton Btu tax was sunk by
> these), free allocation of credits, or through poorly structured or
> monitored credits for sequestration.
> Bloomberg's approach of taxing businesses for GHG emissions
> illustrates the problems of inaction on the national level. A much
> cleaner solution, both in terms of market prices and ease of
> administration, is to have these types of taxes levied as close to
> the point of extraction of fuels as possible. This is the easiest
> point to measure the GHG content of the fuels, and doesn't require
> a government agency to try to measure and enforce charges at
> thousands of different types of businesses.
> Doug Koplow
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>>>> "Reindl, John" <Reindl@no.address> 11/5/2007 9:05 AM >>>
> New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg proposed a national
> "pollution pricing" plan Friday that would tax companies directly
> for the greenhouse gases they release. Bloomberg suggested a fee of
> $15 for every ton of greenhouse gas companies emit, with the money
> used to reduce payroll taxes and finance tax credits for companies
> that reduce their greenhouse gas pollution. He also said another
> carbon-reduction approach known as cap-and-trade, which many
> Democratic candidates have endorsed, is a flawed solution and could
> create bidding wars.
> I also believe that a cap-and-trade approach is wrong, as it
> essentially grants polluters a right to pollute up to the limits of
> their permit. I believe that no one should have any right to
> pollute and should be required to pay for any pollution that they
> A news story on Mayor Bloomberg's position can be found on the
> internet at http://edition.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/11/03/
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