[GreenYes] Re: with $400 million, I think we could get darn close to ZW!

["Monica Wilson" <mwilson@no.address>]

There are endless problems with technologies like plasma, gasification and
pyrolysis of MSW, especially the problems already mentioned below. That's
why we call them Incinerators In Disguise -- if it walks like a duck, talks
like a duck and looks like a duck, it's a duck. Don't be fooled by the
recycled language that we've all heard before: "conversion",
"transformation", "garbage to energy". It's the exact same language from the
80s, and the consequences are the same: wasting resources, wasting jobs,
wasting money, air and water pollution, contaminated ash, and on and on. As
always, there's no question that these incinerators directly compete with
recycling and zero waste.
 
Check out our look at the massive problems suffered by these kinds of
incinerator projects around the world: 
http://www.no-burn.org/resources/library/Factsheet_IncinInDisguise_Apr2006.p
df
 
And a shorter factsheet about these incinerators here:
http://www.no-burn.org/resources/library/Incinerators_In_Disguise_CaseStudie
s.pdf
 
If you hear about any proposals, please share them with me immediately! 
 
Thanks, 
Monica
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Monica Wilson
GAIA: Global Alliance for Incinerator Alternatives, http://www.no-burn.org
<http://www.no-burn.org/> 
1442A Walnut St #20, Berkeley, CA 94709 USA
+1-510-883-9490  ext. 103
mwilson@no.address

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From: GreenYes@no.address [mailto:GreenYes@no.address] On Behalf
Of mgminstrell@no.address
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:52 PM
To: GreenYes@no.address
Subject: [GreenYes] Re: with $400 million, I think we could get darn close
to ZW!


 One "byproduct" is energy... what is another?  Ash maybe?  What can be done
with this wonderful "byproduct"?  How will it be used/disposed of?  (Not how
-can- it, but how -will- it?  Show me examples of who has used it...)  Won't
it be awefully toxic.  Representatives of a similar company trying to build
on in a community many years ago couldn't answer these questions for me
then... 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Chalfan <lchalfan@no.address>
To: 'Greenyes List' <GreenYes@no.address>
Sent: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:16:59 -0700
Subject: [GreenYes] Re: with $400 million, I think we could get darn close
to ZW!


I hope so too.  

On top of that, doesn't this mean that they will need a lot of waste for a
long time?



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From: Anne Peters <annep@no.address>
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:05:35 -0600
Cc: 'Greenyes List' <GreenYes@no.address>
Subject: [GreenYes] Re: with $400 million, I think we could get darn close
to ZW!

I just really hope St. Lucie County has thoroughly checked out this
company's credibility; the payback period; assumptions behind the pro forma;
financing sources; etc. There is a long history in the waste field of con
artists selling the latest "black box" super-duper technology ("we'll turn
your garbage in to gold")- especially outside of big cities - and getting
the financing and then vanishing in the night... 

Eric Lombardi wrote:


            
     
    
ST. LUCIE   COUNTY FLORIDA WILL EMPLOY PLASMA ARC GASIFICATION TO DEAL
WITH WASTE
  
           St.  Lucie County Commissioners recently authorized a plan to
contract with Atlanta   based Geoplasma LLC to build a plasma arc
gasification plant that is expected   to gasify at least 3,000 tons of waste
per day. Plasma arcs produce a type of   artificial lightning that heats
anything in its path upwards of 7,000 degrees   C. A byproduct of the
process is combustible gas which, in this case, will be   used to generate
enough electricity to power 37,000 to 48,000 homes. The   plant will cost
$400 million and take two years to build.        


 

 
Eric Lombardi
 
Executive Director/CEO
 
Eco-Cycle Inc
 
Boulder, CO. USA
  
303-444-6634
 
www.ecocycle.org  <http://www.ecocycle.org> <http://www.ecocycle.org> 
 


 
 
 








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