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[greenyes] RE: [mercury_policy] Fw: greenyes Digest 3 Aug 2005 19:46:07 -0000 Issue 113


Greenyes members,



See also the Association of Lighting and Mercury Recycler's web site
www.almr.org <http://www.almr.org/> for a list of lamp recyclers in the
US and Canada, state specific guidance on lamp management requirements,
and other helpful resources. NEMA's website www.lamprecycle.org
<http://www.lamprecycle.org/> also has good info on lamp recycling.



EPA has a lamp recycling outreach grant program. See
http://www.epa.gov/epaoswer/hazwaste/id/univwast/lamp.htm for more
information.

One of the grantees, Vermont DEC is working with True Value hardware
stores to promote lamp recycling among homeowners. True Value is taking
back lamps from homeowners. Initially the state will pay the recycling
costs through an SEP fund. When that runs out True Value plans to charge
customers a small fee for the service.

NEWMOA is working with electrical distributors to encourage them to take
back lamps from businesses. In this case, the businesses pay the
recycling costs and the distributor can make a profit from offering this
convenience to its customers. For more info see
http://www.newmoa.org/Newmoa/htdocs/prevention/mercury/lamprecycle/elect
rical_distributors.cfm The University of South Carolina is working
with Home Depot on lamp take back. Other grantees are employing
interesting approaches to promoting lamp recycling such as by holding
lamp amnesties, or partnering with property manager associations.



Hope this helps to answer some of your questions.









Meg Wilcox

NEWMOA

129 Portland Street, Suite 602

Boston, MA 02114-2014

Tel 617-367-8558 X305

Fax 617-367-0449

mwilcox@no.address

www.newmoa.org



-----Original Message-----
From: Mollie Freebairn [mailto:mollie.freebairn@no.address]
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:38 PM
To: Mercury Policy, Legislation, and Regulations
Cc: Tim Hines; Megan Kershner; Debra Lombard; Helen Spiegelman; Alan
Muller; greenyes@no.address; Maine, Bruce; Cynthia Knowles;
greenyes-digest-help@no.address
Subject: [mercury_policy] Fw: greenyes Digest 3 Aug 2005 19:46:07 -0000
Issue 113



Below is a dialogue from GreenYes digest on the recycling of Hg
fluorescent lamps and other products. I'm forwarding it on to the
Mercury listserve at the NEWMOA (Notheast Waste Management Officials'
Association) website, that deals extensively with mercury issues. This
is the type of question they are there to address, and the additional
information they would want to have as well. I don't know if Greenyes
has a web site? NEWMOA's is at: http://www.newmoa.org/Newmoa/htdocs/

The Mercury question is in the front of the greeneyes article (greenyes
Digest 3 Aug 2005 19:46:07 -0000 Issue 113).

----- Forwarded by Tim Hines/APCP/DEQ/MODNR on 08/04/2005 09:49 AM -----



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greenyes Digest 3 Aug 2005 19:46:07 -0000 Issue 113

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Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:29:19 -0600
To: <greenyes@no.address>,<SWANA-planningmanagement@no.address>
From: "Megan Kershner" <Mkershner@no.address>
Subject: Mercury in the waste stream: Targeting fluorescent lamps
Message-Id: <s2ef9167.047@no.address>

We have identified Mercury as a pollutant of concern in our community.
=
Having reviewed other municipal surveys on the impacts of Mercury, we
have =
discovered that 35-40% of the Mercury entering our environment comes
from =
solid waste disposal (e.g. fluorescent lamps, thermostats, etc.).

The question is - how do you get residents and conditionally exempt
small =
quantity generators to properly dispose of fluorescent lamps? How do
you =
get CESQGs to pay for disposal (approximately $0.15/ft)?

Does anyone have a program out there targeting these audiences?
Successful=
efforts to get businesses to stop smashing the tubes in their dumpsters?
=
And creative financing going on that helps offset or discount the cost
of =
disposal?

I'd be interested to hear about any achievements you have made on this =
front.

Thanks,

Megan Kershner
Boise, Idaho

Background: The City of Boise provides free HHW disposal to residents
of =
the community. Estimates show that 500-600,000 fluorescent lamps are =
disposed of annually in Boise -- 90% from industrial/commercial sources.
=
Approximately 1500 residential lamps and 160,000 industrial/commercial =
lamps are recycled annually. Hazardous wastes, including fluorescent =
lamps, are prohibited from entering the local landfill as defined by =
county and city ordinance.

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Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:37:32 -0400
To: "Megan Kershner" <Mkershner@no.address>
From: Debra Lombard <dlombard@no.address>
Cc: greenyes@no.address,
SWANA-planningmanagement@no.address
Subject: Re: [greenyes] Mercury in the waste stream: Targeting
fluorescent lamps
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I would imagine that a good way to encourage proper disposal of fl lamps

is to ask stores such as Home Depot, Lowe's and other retail stores that

sell large number of Fl lamps/bulbs to have customers carefully bring in

their used lamps to the store and put them into a plastic lined box made

for such.
Maybe the City could pass an ordinance to have this done for all
retailers
of fl lamps.

Debra Lombard, LEED AP
Sustainable Design Specialist
The RETEC Group, Inc.
900 Chapel St., 2nd Fl - Box 9
New Haven, CT 06510
Tel: 203-868-0137
Fax: 203-773-3657
dlombard@no.address

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Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 16:04:14 -0600
To: <greenyes@no.address>,<dlombard@no.address>,
<SWANA-planningmanagement@no.address>
From: "Megan Kershner" <Mkershner@no.address>
Subject: Re: [greenyes] Mercury in the waste stream: Targeting
fluorescent lamps
Message-Id: <s2ef999e.023@no.address>

How would you pay for that program? The city would be absorbing the =
disposal costs for each lamp from all sources including LQGs who were =
savvy enough to bring the lamps to these 'unsupervised' drop-offs. Any
=
financing options?

Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:12:21 -0400
To: "Megan Kershner" <Mkershner@no.address>
From: Debra Lombard <dlombard@no.address>
Cc: greenyes@no.address,
SWANA-planningmanagement@no.address
Subject: Re: [greenyes] Mercury in the waste stream: Targeting
fluorescent lamps
Message-ID:
<OFD364B9A6.6A8A1A13-ON85257051.00795F10-85257051.0079FAA6@no.address>

Well the fl lamp retailers would need to dispose of the fl lamps. They
could do that with the bulb eater (
http://www.aircycle.com/recycling/prepaid/) type system or such. There
would still have a cost to get rid of that waste approx $1/lamp or less.

The customer would not see that costs as it would be added onto the cost

of a new fl lamp through a disposal fee such as is done on car batteries

or tires.

~Debra
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Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 17:10:03 -0700
To: Debra Lombard <dlombard@no.address>,
"Megan Kershner" <Mkershner@no.address>
From: Helen Spiegelman <hspie@no.address>
Cc: greenyes@no.address,SWANA-planningmanagement@no.address
Subject: Re: [greenyes] Mercury in the waste stream:
Targeting fluorescent lamps
Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20050802170731.01e817f0@no.address>

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Good thread going here.

What strategy for fluorescent lamps would combine the following
features:

- provide consumers a way to get rid of old lamps safely
- operate with no "subsidy" from government (rate-payers who don't use
lamps shouldn't have to pay for someone else's)
- engage the producers of lamps in the disposal/recycling process so
they
get a message that lamps are a disposal problem

H.

At 03:12 PM 8/2/2005, Debra Lombard wrote:

>Well the fl lamp retailers would need to dispose of the fl lamps. They
>could do that with the bulb eater
>(http://www.aircycle.com/recycling/prepaid/) type system or such. There

>would still have a cost to get rid of that waste approx $1/lamp or
less.
>The customer would not see that costs as it would be added onto the
cost
>of a new fl lamp through a disposal fee such as is done on car
batteries
>or tires.
>
>~Debra
>____________
>
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 07:15:04 -0400
To: <greenyes@no.address>
From: Alan Muller <amuller@no.address>
Subject: Re: [greenyes] Mercury in the waste stream: Targeting
fluorescent lamps
Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.0.20050803071240.0262c408@no.address>

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At 03:29 PM 8/2/2005 -0600, Megan Kershner wrote:
>We have identified Mercury as a pollutant of concern in our
>community. Having reviewed other municipal surveys on the impacts of
>Mercury, we have discovered that 35-40% of the Mercury entering our
>environment comes from solid waste disposal (e.g. fluorescent lamps,
>thermostats, etc.).
>
>The question is - how do you get residents and conditionally exempt
small
>quantity generators to properly dispose of fluorescent lamps? How do
you
>get CESQGs to pay for disposal (approximately $0.15/ft)?

I would like to know what is considered proper disposal for Fl.
lamps. They seem too fragile and bulky to ship without individual
re-packaging, which seems almost impracticable, but breaking them surely

releases much of the mercury as vapor.....?

Alan

Alan Muller, Executive Director
Green Delaware
Box 69
Port Penn, DE 19731 USA
(302)834-3466
fax (302)836-3005
greendel@no.address
www.greendel.org
______________________________________
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:33:12 -0500
To: "Alan Muller" <amuller@no.address>,
<greenyes@no.address>
From: "Maine, Bruce" <Bruce.Maine@no.address>
Subject: RE: [greenyes] Mercury in the waste stream: Targeting
fluorescent lamps
Message-ID:
<7B2F8CBF51F0844C833158EBEC1F859D013D0605@no.address>

Good morning, Alan.
Our office recycles approximately 800 fluorescent tubes a year. We
simply re-use the original tube packaging and are able to safely secure
about fifty spent tubes per box. Our recycler charges us 23 cents a
bulb.
Delaware should have regulations about storage prior to shipment. =20
Years ago we had considered a bulb crusher but it seems to me that one
is creating a hazardous waste where a universal waste previously
existed. And, some states have strict regulations regarding their use
or do not allow them at all.
For those familiar with LEED, the new EB (Existing Buildings) standard
addresses fluorescents in two separate credits. =20
The first is a prerequisite that requires that the Owner maintain
mercury content of all mercury-containing light bulbs below 100
picograms per lumen hour, on weighted average, for all
mercury-containing light bulbs acquired for the existing building and
associated grounds. =20
The second is a credit which is for recycling of spent tubes.
Personally, I think they got it backwards and recycling of any toxic
material should have priority regardless of the quantity.
As Robert F. Kennedy says "All pollution is a subsidy" and citizens are
going to pay for fluorescent recycling by a surcharge at the time of
purchase with a manufacturer take-back requirement, pay at the time of
disposal/recycling or have future generations pay in the form of medical
costs or clean-up.
There's no question that the new low-mercury bulbs are a definite
improvement and if universally used would lower mercury emissions from
coal fired power plants but there's still no alternate for safe and
proper recycling.
Regards,
Bruce Maine=20
Sustainable Specifications & Materials Manager=20
LEED Accredited Professional=20
HDR Architecture=20
402.399.1198=20
bmaine@no.address=20
http://www.hdrgreen.com <http://www.hdrgreen.com/> =20

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Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 09:29:06 -0400
To: "Maine, Bruce" <Bruce.Maine@no.address>, <greenyes@no.address>
From: Alan Muller <amuller@no.address>
Subject: RE: [greenyes] Mercury in the waste stream: Targeting
fluorescent lamps
Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.0.20050803091559.0261fa90@no.address>

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At 07:33 AM 8/3/2005 -0500, Maine, Bruce wrote:
>Good morning, Alan.
>Our office recycles approximately 800 fluorescent tubes a year. We
simply
>re-use the original tube packaging and are able to safely secure about
>fifty spent tubes per box. Our recycler charges us 23 cents a bulb.

Seems viable, do you know any details of what he or she actually does
with
them?

>Delaware should have regulations about storage prior to shipment.

>Years ago we had considered a bulb crusher but it seems to me that one
is
>creating a hazardous waste where a universal waste previously
>existed. And, some states have strict regulations regarding their use
or
>do not allow them at all.

I am pretty certain that a bulb crusher would create a cloud of Hg
vapor.

Enviro interests have been active in promoting Fl. lamps for energy
savings, and rightly so, but I think we are quite guilty of not
adequately
addressing disposal of the lamps themselves. For instance, there is
seldom
any meaningful information on the packaging. This needs to change. And

takeback at points of sale seems indicated.....

Alan

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Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:03:19 -0700 (PDT)
To: greenyes@no.address, SWANA-planningmanagement@no.address
From: Cynthia Knowles <cynthiapatagonia@no.address>
Subject: Re: [greenyes] Mercury in the waste stream: Targeting
fluorescent lamps
Message-ID: <20050803190319.93221.qmail@no.address>

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The city and county of San Francisco currently manages a residential
fluorescent retail drop-off program (supervised small hardware stores
and non-profit organizations), funded through city funds. The program
was originally funded through a three-year grant from the state waste
board. California's universal waste law requires that all fl lamps be
recycled as of February 9, 2006.

A CA state assemblyperson presented a bill that would require a
recycling fee at point of purchase for fl lamps, but it did not pass.
We were hoping that this would help fund our program. We have advocated
for this initiatve and will contuiue to do so in the future.

Ideally our program would also engage producers in take-back and
recycling, as Helen points out. This would more equally distribute
responsibility for keeping toxics out of landfills to protect public
health. Collaborative responses will be an important part of the
recycling equation as increasing amounts of U-waste are generated.

Cynthia Knowles
Toxics Reduction Specialist
San Francisco Department of Environment
11 Grove Street, San Francisco, CA 94102
Tel: (415)355-3760 / Fax: (415)554-6393
www.sfenvironment.org

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Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:14:06 -0500
To: "GreenYes" <greenyes@no.address>
From: "Maine, Bruce" <Bruce.Maine@no.address>
Subject: Fluorescents Recycling
Message-ID:
<7B2F8CBF51F0844C833158EBEC1F859D013D0670@no.address>

Good morning again.
My apologies to the list.
Someone pointed out that my reference to Robert F. Kennedy should have
specified that it was, in fact, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
His 2002 presentation at the Commonwealth Club is where he presents the
idea that "all pollution is a subsidy."
http://www.commonwealthclub.org/archive/02/02-02kennedy-speech.html
Bruce Maine

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Mollie Freebairn
Air Pollution Control Program
Jefferson City, MO 65101
Phone (573) 526-3833



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