RE: [greenyes] Sticker Shock

["Steve Bloom" <spbloom@no.address>]

Let me propose a theorem and two proofs:
	The Pavley theorem:  The only good way to actually reduce carbon is to do it directly.
	First proof:  The only way to comply with the Pavley law is to actually reduce carbon
emissions.  Resistance by Hummer enthusiasts such as our Governator will only result in a
further reduction of choices for the Hummer (and other large SUV) addicts since the carbon
reductions are measured fleet-wide.  Eventually, it is their very love that will cause the
extinction of their beloved.
	Second proof:  Any carbon reduction that will actually mean anything will be sued, rather
than endorsed or promoted, by the carbon emitters.
	-- Steve Bloom


> -----Original Message-----
> From: richard@no.address [mailto:richard@no.address]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:55 PM
> To: Eric Lombardi; 'Jenny Gitlitz'; 'greenyes'
> Cc: 'Peter Anderson'
> Subject: Re: [greenyes] Sticker Shock
>
>
> OR,
> Isn't CT just another phrase for 'NOT taking responsibility for your own
> actions?'
> Is it OK for me to change the oil in my car and dump the oil into a local
> creek if I buy one of these bumper stickers?
> No one needs to be driving a Hummer on city streets.  Lets be real, gas
> guzzlers harm the environment needlessly.
> And, none of these discussions include the added cost of using three times
> as much steel to make the hulk in the first place.  Or the added wear on the
> roadways, or the problems they cause in parking lots where they rarely fit
> into one space, OR ... [enough - if I don't quit now, I'll be knocked off my
> soapbox, and someone will try to wash my mouth out instead].
>
> Richard Gertman
> Environmental Planning Consultants
> A Green Business
> 1885 The Alameda, Suite 120
> San Jose, CA 95126-1732
> 408-249-0691
> richard@no.address
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Lombardi" <eric@no.address>
> To: "'Jenny Gitlitz'" <jenny.gitlitz@no.address>; "'greenyes'"
> <greenyes@no.address>
> Cc: "'Peter Anderson'" <anderson@no.address>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:09 PM
> Subject: RE: [greenyes] Sticker Shock
>
>
> Jenny,
>
> That's what my first thought was ... it's just a carbon-trading (CT) scheme
> for individuals, similar in many ways to allowing the dirty power plants to
> keep on running.  If it's good for them, why not us?  Then again, some
> people think carbon-trading isn't good.  I guess I would say that CT is OK
> only if it's used as a "bridge" that allows sunk investments to recovered
> and requires a timeline for old tech to retire and new tech to come on-line.
>
> Eric
>
> Eric Lombardi
> Executive Director
> Eco-Cycle Inc
> 303-444-6634
> www.ecocycle.org
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jenny Gitlitz [mailto:jenny.gitlitz@no.address]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:49 PM
> To: greenyes
> Cc: Peter Anderson
> Subject: Re: [greenyes] Sticker Shock
>
> How is this any different from other GHG market trading mechanisms? That it
> targets the wallets of individual drivers instead of corporate power plant
> coffers?
>
> Yes, it sounds ridiculous for Hummer owners to buy these stickers to appease
> their guzzling guilt, but for many of us who are stuck driving 10-year old
> cars because we can't afford the $22,000 sticker price of a Toyota
> Prius--much as we'd like to buy one--this low-cost sticker program might be
> one small way for us to encourage a few small-scale alternative energy
> projects.
>
> The question is, does the bumper sticker scheme somehow detract from
> national efforts to raise CAFÉ standards or implement other broad
> conservation policies?
>
> --Jenny
>
> Jennifer Gitlitz
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> On 4/12/05 1:34 PM, Peter Anderson at anderson@no.address wrote:
>
> > GLOBE AND MAIL
> >
> > Honk If You Love Your SUV
> >
> > Pricey bumper stickers give the owners of gas-guzzlers licence to drive,
> > while still being friendly to the environment
> > By WILLIAM LIN
> > Saturday, April 9, 2005 Page A15
> >
> >
> > WASHINGTON -- The United States may have withdrawn from the Kyoto
> Protocol,
> > but a Pennsylvania company says Americans can still fight carbon dioxide
> > emissions without leaving home -- by paying as much as $80 for a bumper
> > sticker.
> > Benven LLC, run by a team of University of Pennsylvania graduate students,
> > boasts that its bumper stickers take the equivalent of 350 cars off the
> road
> > for a year. Its product, the TerraPass, allows drivers to counteract their
> > gas-guzzling cars' emissions by paying for clean-energy projects. In
> > exchange, vehicle owners get a clean conscience and a one-year pass for
> > their bumper that identifies the vehicle as pollution-free.
> > "If you think of the rest of Americans, they want to be nice to the
> > environment. But they want a vehicle to get around in," said Tom Arnold,
> the
> > company's chief operating officer. "With TerraPass, you can keep driving
> the
> > car and still be responsible."
> > The passes sell for $30 to $80, depending on how much gas the vehicle
> uses.
> > For instance, it would take $80 to offset a Hummer's annual emissions, Mr.
> > Arnold said.
> > TerraPass pools the sales and funds clean-energy projects, such as
> windmills
> > in California and cow-manure digesters to control methane emissions. The
> > Philadelphia-based company said that to date, it has "erased" 1.8 million
> > kilograms of carbon dioxide emissions.
> > TerraPass also buys credits on the Chicago Climate Exchange, a market for
> > trading greenhouse-gas-emissions credits. TerraPass buys and retires them,
> > helping to cover the costs of energy projects.
> > About 450,000 kilograms of carbon dioxide credits have been purchased so
> > far -- nearly $1,200 worth, the company said. Mr. Arnold said the company
> > has spent more than $7,000 on emission-reduction projects in total.
> > "...
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