[greenyes] "Should Congress pass a national deposit law?"

[RicAnthony@no.address]

.....(or 4 cents in the case of CA) is enough of an incentive to pick the 
container up and take it back for the redemption value.

....one of these years maybe it'll be time for less posturing and more 
constructive thinking...

In a rational (perfect, natural) system, it is a full circle.  

If economics drives the decision the cost impacts of wasting has to be part 
of the calculation, otherwise we are back to faith again. 

What we have here in the USA is public funded wasting, competing with the 
recovery of recyclable materials.  The law is the great equalizer.  

It is an American value as individuals that everyone is responsible for their 
actions.  We believe in charity (love), hard work and democracy.  Why is it 
posturing to ask for a reexamination of the rules?

Both systems have value and are not mutually exclusive.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kendall Christiansen [mailto:KChristiansen@no.address]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 2:06 PM
To: Pat Franklin; RicAnthony@no.address
Subject: RE: [greenyes] "Should Congress pass a national deposit law?"


all of which means a cookie-cutter/one size fits all concept/system needs 
local tailoring....conceptual dilemma is that curbside and redemption 
programs/systems were layered on top of or parallel to each other, and not effectively 
integrated/rationalized....so public messages get confused, unintended 
consequences magnified (including it turning into an underground jobs program for 
street-people), and systems aren't optimized....much of the "rebuttal" arguments 
with respect to redemption vs. curbside are themselves rebuttable 
opinions....one of these years maybe it'll be time for less posturing and more constructive 
thinking...






From: Pat Franklin [mailto:pfranklin@no.address] 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 1:59 PM
To: RicAnthony@no.address; Green Yes
Subject: RE: [greenyes] "Should Congress pass a national deposit law?"


Capturing beverage cans and bottles through a curbside program is one 
vehicle, but only if you have curbside.  About 40% of the US population does NOT have 
access to curbside program.  I don't know what the estimate is for the 
percent of folks who have access to curbside and take advantage of it, but it's 
probably under 80% on average.  But even in cities, counties and towns where the 
public does have access to curbside recycling, a large percentage of beverage 
containers are being drained away from home, where collection programs are few 
and far between.


-----Original Message-----
From: RicAnthony@no.address [mailto:RicAnthony@no.address]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 1:51 PM
To: greenyes@no.address
Subject: Re: [greenyes] "Should Congress pass a national deposit law?"


In a message dated 3/4/2005 10:39:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
cmccoy@no.address writes:Well, someone for example said they wanted to say that curbside 
recycling programs are a better way to capture containers for recycling. 

Probably true and in California the deposit on the containers make the 
capturing of these containers at the curb profitable.  The deposit also makes it 
more cost effective to collect containers away from home.  

The current salvage prices do not represent the actual cost  to recover, 
although history, time and population growth seems to be changing that as well.
Ricanthony@no.address
RichardAnthonyAssociates.com
San Diego, California