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Re: [greenyes] Dell grants
In regards to Pat's comments

When you are handling non-food materials I would agree with Pat that having
trucks that deliver these products are capable of picking them up as well.
People that work  in the area of retail logistics are constantly working to
try and maximize these empty trailers. Reverse distribution is already apart
of these systems as consumers are constantly returning damaged goods, trade
in's, recalls etc.

In the case of perishable food products, there are other considerations.
There is the potential for contamination when you use these trailers for
backhauling potentially contaminated materials. Depending on the local
health department standards in the area, trailers that are used for this in
the retail grocery industry need to be sanitized before they can be used
again. Although, after 25years of involvement in the grocery industry, I am
not aware of any incidents relating to this, the perception is there,
therefore the problem is there.

They can utilize another existing distribution system, their solid waste
bin\compactor. We  successfully utilized these existing containers to handle
all of our retail stores recyclable materials. Perforated bags were our
answer. All products are bagged separately, yet co-mingled in the same bin.
No new equipment, no substantial operational changes, no internal (
expensive) real estate involved. Although our primary focus was on beverage
containers and retail packaging, we successfully experimented with other
materials ( including some electronics). We were able to designate our 40 yd
solid waste bin to an integrated recyclable bin. After removing all our
recyclable we replaced the 40 yd waste bin with a 7 yd bin designated for

Dennis Kinsey

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Franklin" <pfranklin@no.address>
To: "CUYLER Alex D" <Alex.D.CUYLER@no.address>; <greenyes@no.address>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:41 PM
Subject: RE: [greenyes] Dell grants

> Reverse distribution, is using the same distribution system that
> the product to collect and return the product to the distributor.  The
> beverage industry's "reverse distribution system", which collected
> refillable bottles and returned them to the bottling plant to be washed
> refilled inspired the idea of "bottle bills" more than three decades ago.
> The decentralization of the beer and soft drink industries and the demise
> refillables has pretty much done away with reverse distribution.  Even for
> collection of bottle bill materials, third parties are often relied upon
> collect the bottles and cans.
> When trucks loaded with PRODUCT drop off their wares, why not pick up used
> products at the same time?
> ****************************************
> Patricia Franklin
> Executive Director
> Container Recycling Institute
> 1911 N. Fort Myer Drive, Ste. 702
> Arlington, VA 22209
> TEL:   703.276.9800
> FAX:   703.276.9587
> EMAIL: pfranklin@no.address
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: CUYLER Alex D [mailto:Alex.D.CUYLER@no.address]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:21 PM
> To: greenyes@no.address
> Subject: [greenyes] Dell grants
> I was intrigued by Helen Spiegleman's comments on the Dell tracking system
> for used computers and peripherals.  The phrase she used, "reverse
> distribution" deserves some analysis.  In looking at the economic
> implications of reverse distribution, how will it compare with the
> distribution of new goods and services?  Money will be spent on many of
> same features: trucking, advertising, packaging, administration, etc.
> is the job creation potential here?  How do these expenses compare with
> traditional expenses associated with delivering these materials to a
> landfill or burner?  Can we use this kind of analysis to show the economic
> value of product stewardship activities? In terms of who pays for these
> efforts, is there a comparison that can be made between traditional tax
> based economic development activities and product stewardship "fees"?  In
> other words, if I pay $10.00 at the point of sale for the appropriate
> disposal of my computer, is this $10 more or less effective (in economic
> development terms) than the same $10.00 that I pay in local, state, or
> federal taxes? -- AC
> Alex Cuyler
> Recycling and Solid Waste Specialist
> City of Eugene Planning and Development Department
> phone: (541) 682-6830
> fax:      (541) 682-6806
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