Re: [GreenYes] References on subsidies for virgin materialsand energy

["Doug Koplow" <koplow@indecon.com>]

Though focused primarily on energy, you can find a good deal of background information on how subsidies to natural resources operate on my website:  www.earthtrack.net .  You can also access some of my past work on subsidies to virgin materials there as well.

The site is entirely focused on the issue of subsidies.  Please note that the subsidy database has not yet been updated; the information in there now is a very partial picture.  Comments on site structure and content are welcomed.

-Doug Koplow

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>>> "Reindl, John" <Reindl@co.dane.wi.us> 11/14/02 04:37PM >>>
One good source of information are the reports of Green Scissors, found on
their web page at http://www.greenscissors.org/main.htm. Another is the
Welfare for Waste report on the GRRN site at
http://www.grrn.org/order/welfare4waste.html 

However, many reports that deal with subsidies for virgin material and
energy generally do not include state and local subsidies. Some of these can
be substantial; Wisconsin, for example subsidies forestry within the state
to the tune of over $60 million a year, and perhaps at least double that.

John Reindl, Recycling Manager
Dane County, Wisconsin 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lori Stole [mailto:stole@hevanet.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:05 PM
> To: 'GreenYes'
> Subject: RE: [GreenYes] In 50 words or less, help me understand
> 
> 
> Can anyone recommend some good references about the subsidies 
> on virgin materials? 
> 
> - Lori
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-greenyes@grrn.org 
> [mailto:owner-greenyes@grrn.org]On Behalf
> Of Philip Prete
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 5:18 AM
> To: TomT; GreenYes
> Subject: RE: [GreenYes] In 50 words or less, help me understand
> 
> 
> Actually, more important than economies of scale are the 
> three simple words, "supply and demand."  The average 
> consumer (meaning large consumer) does not demand enough of 
> the product to drive manufacturers to reach economies of scale.
> 
> Another two words that tip the scales in favor of the 
> non-recycled paper are "virgin subsidies."  Prices for 
> recycled paper would pull much closer to virgin fiber 
> manufactured paper if the federal tax laws were re-written to 
> remove the advantage given to timber harvest over secondary 
> materials "harvest."
> 
> Of course this applies to virgin feedstocks for plastics, 
> metals and other extracted raw materials as well.
> 
>    -Phil
> 
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