[GreenYes] Posting Problems

["Chris Sparnicht" <chris@grrn.org>]

Dear GreenYes,

If anyone is having difficulties with GreenYes, please
email me directly rather than posting to the list.
I can confirm that both Michelle and Pat are only
on the list once. Perhaps you or others are crossposting
to multiple lists, in which case you'll receive a copy for
every list you are on. 

If anyone gets **this** message three times,
definitely let me know. I've only posted to GreenYes.

Cheers,

Chris

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michele Raymond" <michele@raymond.com>
To: "Wayne Turner" <WAYNET@cityofws.org>; <pfranklin@container-recycling.org>; <gillianashley@optusnet.com.au>
Cc: <JenGitlitz@aol.com>; <KPaulson@container-recycling.org>; <greenyes@grrn.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [GreenYes] RE: aluminum cans vs. plastis bottles


> Green Yes
> 
> I am getting messages THREE TIMES!!! ???
> 
> Michele Raymond
> 
> At 11:16 AM 11/5/02 -0500, Wayne Turner wrote:
> >Pat and friends,
> >
> >Actually the aluminum container recycling rate exceeds the PET bottle 
> >recycling rate by more than 3 times when you factor in the average 20% 
> >yield loss associated with producing RPET in the form of clean flake from 
> >PET bales.  So, while the PET recycling rate of 22.5% is widely published, 
> >the net recycling rate is 17.5%.  This info can be found in NAPCOR's 
> >lastest recycling activity report.  I'm assuming that there is no 
> >comparable yield loss with recycling aluminum cans.  Last report I heard 
> >pegged aluminum can recycling at 55%.
> >
> >Wayne
> >
> >
> >B. Wayne Turner
> >City of Winston-Salem
> >Utilities Division
> >phone: (336) 727 8418
> >email: waynet@cityofws.org
> >
> > >>> "Pat Franklin" <pfranklin@container-recycling.org> 11/05/02 12:27PM >>>
> >Hello Gillian,
> >
> >It is very difficult to say which beverage container (aluminum can or
> >plastic bottle) is environmentally preferable.  Ounce for ounce, the
> >aluminum can would certainly seem to be the most damaging to the environment
> >if all environmental impacts are taken into consideration.  That said, the
> >impacts are greatly mitigated when cans are recovered and used to make new
> >aluminum cans.  The aluminum can recycling rate is about twice as high as
> >the plastic beverage bottle and nearly all aluminum cans that are recycled
> >are recycled back into aluminum cans.  That is not true for plastic beverage
> >bottles, since it is not as cost effective to make new plastic bottles from
> >recycled bottles as it is to make new aluminum cans from used aluminum cans.
> >
> >This is a very simplistic answer to a very complicated question.  I will
> >copy CRI's Director of Research, Jenny Gitlitz on this email.  She is much
> >more knowledgeable than I on this issuse.   I am also sending this out to
> >Green Yes in the event there is someone on that listserve that wishes to
> >comment on this.
> >
> >The very best design for beverage containers is the glass or plastic
> >refillable bottle that can be reused over and over and over again without
> >having to drill for oil or mine bauxite, without having to manufacture a new
> >container and without having to crush, melt or regrind the scrap material
> >into a new can or bottle.  Plastic refillable bottles are more efficient
> >than glass refillables when the shipping distance between bottling
> >plant/brewery and wholesale/retail stores is long.  Glass and plastic
> >refillable beverage bottles are in wide use in many parts of the world
> >including:  Prince Edward Island, Sweden, Norway, Austria, The Netherlands,
> >Denmark, Germany, South America, Mexico  to name a few.
> >
> >Best of luck in your studies,
> >
> >Pat Franklin
> >
> >****************************************
> >Patricia Franklin
> >Executive Director
> >Container Recycling Institute
> >1911 N. Fort Myer Drive, Ste. 702
> >Arlington, VA 22209
> >
> >TEL:   703.276.9800
> >FAX:   703.276.9587
> >EMAIL: pfranklin@container-recycling.org
> >
> >http://www.container-recycling.org
> >http://www.bottlebill.info
> >****************************************
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: Gillian Heathcote [mailto:gillianashley@optusnet.com.au]
> >   Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 2:47 AM
> >   To: info@Container-Recycling.org
> >   Subject: aluminum cans vs. plastis bottles
> >
> >
> >   Dear  Container Recycling Institute,
> >
> >   I am a attending the University of New South Wales in Sydney, studying
> >Design.
> >   I was wondering is you could tell me which is a more socially responsible
> >design; an aluminum can or a plastic bottle when packaging beverages. Both
> >products can be recycled, but is one more efficient than the other? where
> >can I find more information on this subject?
> >
> >   Thank you for your time,
> >   Gillian Heathcote
> >   __________________________________________________________________
> >   gillian heathcote
> >   ICQ#: 111825159
> >         Current ICQ status:
> >   +  More ways to contact me
> >   __________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
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