GreenYes Digest V98 #230

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GreenYes Digest Tue, 3 Nov 98 Volume 98 : Issue 230

Today's Topics:
Beer in Plastic Bottles
Fw: Fw: Why Recycled Paper Is Declining
New Email Address
Nov 2nd Coke Endorsements
PVC in Germany

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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:09:21 -0600
From: "RecycleWorlds" <>
Subject: Beer in Plastic Bottles

The latest information which I have on Miller's new beer bottle
(designed by Continental PET Technologies) is from sources in Miller and

My understanding of what they have told me is that the bottle itself
will be a composite three layer bottle with the inner core some kind of
barrier, oxygen scavanger of an unspecified nature in order to protect
patent applications. There will be no interlining EVOH or nylon layers that
reclaimers tell me would create problems in the volumes that could be
generated by the beer market.

Although, they will not release information about the core, they
indicated that Plastic Forming (NH) ran tests at 10%, 25% and 100% of the
PET stream. They indicated to me that there were no adverse impacts
observed except for some discoloration at the 100% level. A copy of the
lab report has been promised, but I have not yet received it.

As to other bottle attributes, most of the bottles will be tinted amber
(for which there is no known high end market) and the cap will be made of
aluminum. Miller is aware that there is no market for amber PET and that
aluminum creates significant problems for processors but believes, I am
told, that aluminum looks better than polypropylene as a cap. (If memory
serves, aluminum also costs 1/4-1/2 cent less per unit.)

I'll provide more information as it becomes available.

Peter Anderson

(ps For a week now I have been unable to transfer my individual receipts of
Envirolink messages to the digest form, and instead have been delisted from
that listserve, which, consequently will not accept my messages right now.
Could someone pass this along to envirolink.)
Peter Anderson
RecycleWorlds Consulting
4513 Vernon Blvd. Ste. 15
Madison, WI 53705-4964
Phone:(608) 231-1100/Fax: (608) 233-0011


Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:28:07 -0500
From: "Bill Sheehan" <>
Subject: Fw: Fw: Why Recycled Paper Is Declining

[forwarded from Bill McGowan]

-----Original Message-----
From: William P. McGowan <>
To: Bill Sheehan <>
Date: Monday, November 02, 1998 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Why Recycled Paper Is Declining

In all due respect to Susan, Conservatree, and advocates of demand-driven
means of increasing th use of recycled-content papers, I would say one
thing: price. Recycled content paper is more expensive and more
problematic to run on a press than other materiuals. making matters
worse, recycled content papers ability to compete against virgin fiber
papers has been badly eroded in the last year--fully 30% of the market for
waste paper off the West Coast evaporated in the Asian currency crise,
while virgnin paper manufactruers in Southeast Asia are dumping pulp on
the market prices below cost so they can genmerate revenue for their cash
starved economies. the result is that buyers can get virgin paper at or
below the cost of recycled content papers.

The immediate problem, then, is not that paper vendors do not know
enough about their firm's recycled content papers, but rather a global
economic slowdown. In the longer term, the problem continues to be
price: recycled content papers cost more than virgin fibers and do not
look as bright white as consumers demand. As the rest of the world
slides into recession, this is bound to get worse, as government tax
receipts fall off and agencies have fewer dollars to spend on things like
recycled content paper.

Please bear in mind that none of this is to my liking, as someone who
makes his living in recycling paper, this trend is bad. But the
empiracle evidence seems to indicate that the problem is not lone of
knowldeg, as Susan Kinsella implies, but rather one of price.

Bill McGowan
UCSB History
Rincon Recycling


Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 10:51:52 -0600
From: center <>
Subject: New Email Address

Please note that our email address has changed. Please direct your
emails to Sally Struble at the following address:

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Center for Maximum Potential Building Systems


Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 22:55:03 -0500
From: "Bill Sheehan" <>
Subject: Nov 2nd Coke Endorsements

[Monday, Nov. 2nd: new endorsements for the Coke Take It Back Campaign.
Check us out at:]

[from Illinois]

I would like to announce how the Illinois State University Student
Environmental Action Coalition (SEAC) is planning on revealing it's take it
back campaign. There will be a mound of trash on our quad for ARD. The
purpose of this mound is to illustrate the waste that is generated by the
students. SEAC will use this time to collect bottles and display the Take
it Back campaign. The press has been invited and it should be an
interesting day.
Eric J. Huddleston
Student Environmental Action Coalition

[from Redefining Progress, California]

I talked with folks here at RP about endorsing your campaign. For the most
part, people were interested, but wanted to know more about what it means to
sign on. ... Is it a general endorsement of your campaign? [YES] Is the
campaign specifically for Coke
or is it a broader endorsement for producer responsibility policies? [COKE AS

Also, what other kinds of help would you want from an organization like
ours? One of my colleagues noticed that most of your endorsers were local -
do you need help getting more national org's to sign on? [YOU BET!]

[from Oregon]

The University of Oregon,Campus Recycling Program will be collecting
signatures to send off to Coke.
Put us on the endorsement list.
Karyn Kaplan
Campus Recycling Program Manager
University of Oregon

[from New Jersey]

I first wanted to thank you for sending me the information I had
requested about the coke campaign. I will be mailing plenty of bottles
back to Coke, and I know a few people that will participate. I also
received a note from you about a doing a media event the second week of
November. If you get a chance, I would appreciate more information on
this subject. --John

[from California]

You can name my name and company to the Coke campaign (Joan Edwards, J.
Edwards & Associates, Inc.). I had thought that you were looking for larger
corporations and municipal governments, but if it helps to have additional
names from small companies, go for it!
Joan Edwards

[from Georgia]

Sorry to be so late in replying - ACE will of course co-sign. In fact I
sent back my first plastic bottle (fortunately found it on the ground
outside - I sure wouldn't buy one!). It was such fun! ACE hasn't had a
meeting as such in a long time, but I have copied the material and will
distribute it piecemeal once the election is over and I have caught up with
stuff - you know how it is!

[from Tennessee]

We would be happy to sign on.
Samantha Pearson, Coordinator
Foundation for Global Sustainability
POB 1101
Knoxville, TN 37901

Bill Sheehan
Network Coordinator
GrassRoots Recycling Network
P.O. Box 49283
Athens GA 30604-9283
Tel: 706-613-7121
Fax: 706-613-7123


Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:36:43 -0600
From: "RecycleWorlds" <>
Subject: PVC in Germany

According to the 11/2/98 Plastic News, "German PVC Industry Defends Vinyl
in Splashy Ad Campaign"

"Tired of suffering public beatings, the German PVC industry has struck
back with a slick, multimillion dollar ad campagn that makes an emotional
defense of vinyl....features ads with a child floating in the water using
inflatable vinyl arm bands [etc.].

"'If you are talking to people who do not work with PVC, you have to
appeal to emotion,' said Werner Preusker, managing director of PVC Plus,
which conducts the campaign.
"Pruesker said the campaign was sparked by questions about vinyl that
the PVC film industry started to get from customers, including grocery
stores. The wanted answers to allegations that PVC had environmental and
recycling problems, he said."
Peter Anderson
RecycleWorlds Consulting
4513 Vernon Blvd. Ste. 15
Madison, WI 53705-4964
Phone:(608) 231-1100/Fax: (608) 233-0011


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