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GreenYes Digest Wed, 30 Jul 97 Volume 97 : Issue 182

Today's Topics:
Corporate history
oil inputs to paper?

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 97 11:12:36 -0500
From: Peter Montague <>
Subject: Corporate history

On July 28th Bill McGowan took me to task for saying in Rachel's

"The solution to this problem [of corporations out of control] is
to go back to the way things used to be, to deny corporations the
rights of persons under the Constitution, just as our
grandparents did. Corporations bear no resemblance to persons, so
why treat them as such?"

Mr. McGowan wrote:

"I do NOT want to get into the debate whether corporations should
be treated like people, with all the rights we as individuals
have come to expect, but I did want to point out that
corporations have been treated like people long before my
grandfather was born--in the 1880s if memory serves. It was
during the Marshall court that the Fourteenth Amendement--written
and passed to protect former slaves--was stretched to include
corporations by the Supreme Court. This had a great deal to do
with the later overturning of the Granger Cases, which gave
corporations the legal footing they still enjoy today--equal
protection, as if they were people, under the law.

"This may not seem like much, but when people making impassioned
arguments like Mr. Montague screw up their history, they often
call their entire line of reasoning into question."

My response: I did not screw up my history. The definitive case
came before the Supreme Court in 1886, (as I have documented in
previous issues of Rachel's). Both my parents and my grandparents
bore their children late in life. I am just under 60. Therefore,
in my case, my grandparents lived -- and functioned as citizens
-- in a time before corporations had the Constitutional
protections afforded to individuals. Mr. McGowan's situation may
be different -- maybe his GREAT grandparents were contemporaries
of my grandparents. That doesn't make me wrong -- it just makes
me old.

A more important question is why Mr. McGowan doesn't want to take
on the interesting question: why do we treat corporations as
individuals under the law when they bear no resemblance to
individuals? --Peter Montague

Peter Montague                          Telephone: (410) 263-1584
Environmental Research Foundation             Fax: (410) 263-8944


Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 10:01:36 -0700 From: Carolyn Chase <> Subject: oil inputs to paper?

I came across the following statement in a paper vs. plastic debate: - "There is a lot of petroleum used in the manufacturing of paper products. "

++ can anyone enlighten me as to what part of paper manufacturing consumes a "lot of petroleum"? All I can think of is hauling the logs and hauling the paper; Are petro and petro byproducts inputs to any of the delignen processing? Is this the source of the dioxin byproduct?

Carolyn Chase, Editor, San Diego Earth Times, Please visit :-)

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