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GreenYes Digest Wed, 8 Oct 97 Volume 97 : Issue 242

Today's Topics:
Computer recycling -- urgent need
Magazine Reuse Project
Mail failure -Reply
message problems (3 msgs)
Pill bottles
RE>Global Warming Alert
Toxics and Children Conference

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:23:40 +0200
Subject: Computer recycling -- urgent need

Hi There!

>Steve Hammer writes:

>A Bronx-based company recently contacted me seeking assistance in the
>"proper" disposal or reuse of a great deal of old computer equipment. The
>material must be out of their facility by October 15th.
>They have approximately 20-25 pallets full of old B/W monitors, PC Jrs,
>286s, 386s, and some 486s. They also have a number of older model laser
>printers, and a lot of dot matrix printers. Some of the equipment still
>works, but I can't hazard a guess as to whether its's 10% of the items or
>80% of the items.
>Does anyone have any ideas for them?

Al Karaki, poject director of Universal Service Agency, is bringing in
containers of PC's for installation and use in South African townships -
remember, more than half our Black schools do not even as yet have
electricity, so even low-powered PC's and indeed, spares, would probably be
very useful - his e-mail is: - you are welcome to use my
name, as we have met, and communicated since....

hope it helps!


Mr. Muna Lakhani
Cellfax: 082-131-416-9160
28 Currie Road - Durban - 4001 - South Africa
Phone: +27-31-20-28-291


Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:58:06 -0700
From: Robin Salsburg <>
Subject: Magazine Reuse Project

Here's another good reuse project as reported by the waste prevention =
forum. Although the magazines are getting reused, it is still an =
"environmental outrage" that 50% more magazines are knowingly being =
produced as a marketing strategy.

Robin Salsburg

>-- A project of the National Waste Prevention Coalition
>From Tim Bernthal, project manager, Magazines AGain, Seattle, WA:

The magazine publishing and distribution industries are driven by the
need to display enough copies at newsstands and retail outlets to
attract customer purchases. The conventional thinking is that a
completely full display 365 days a year, 24 hours a day is the key to
success. Unfortunately, the result is the return, shredding, and
recycling or disposal of almost 50% of delivered magazines - without a
single consumer use. A 1990 editorial in "Folio: The Magazine of
Magazine Management" termed this waste "an environmental outrage".=20

Is 50% waste just the cost of successful magazine publishing and
distribution, or can this resource be more wisely used? One alternative
is being tried successfully by a Seattle pilot effort within the
industry, called Magazines AGain. With the support of 50 magazine
publishers and Small Changes (a small regional, alternative-press
magazine distributor), and start-up funding from a $13,000 Seattle Solid
Waste Utility waste reduction grant, Magazines AGain is finding a home
for newsstand returns in schools, literacy, and social service programs
around the Seattle area.=20

The pilot program is an expansion of an idea pioneered three years ago
by David Spiekerman, manager of Small Changes. Spiekerman received
written permission from magazine publishers to donate returns to schools
and literacy programs, beginning with a few local public school
libraries and the Goodwill Learning Center of King County. Magazine
publishers were supportive as long as guidelines were followed that
channeled donated magazines to literacy efforts and educational and
social service institutions serving primarily limited-income clients.=20

Now Magazines AGain's goal is to substantially increase the second (and
hopefully third and more) use of newsstand returns through a free
community donation program. Its target is the distribution of 150,000
magazines per year, providing a net benefit to recipients of nearly
$500,000. One of the major challenges faced by the program is minimizing
the labor in sorting, processing, and distributing large numbers of
magazines, so that it can be operated on donated labor, primarily from
magazine distributor and recipient group staff and volunteers. The
program's strategy to reach this ambitious goal is to find potential
recipients with large, multi-site classroom or program uses for reading
materials and to utilize existing transportation resources to distribute
magazines efficiently.

The major participants in the program's first four months have been
programs in four organizations: Chicken Soup Brigade, a home service
provider for over 500 clients living with HIV/AIDS in Seattle; Seattle
Public School District high schools; Seattle food banks; and Seattle's
community colleges.=20

Each organization is allocated a standing order from a list of 50
magazines, and asked, whenever possible, to accept all available copies
of a given magazine. Magazine returns are sorted for recipients by Small
Changes staff, and stored in portable hampers until picked up or
delivered. Organizations with transportation and distribution systems
serving their program units or with access to volunteers are asked to
pick up their orders at the Small Changes warehouse, or at a minimum, to
distribute one pooled order to all their participating program sites.
The program has arranged for school distribution through the use of the
Seattle Public School District's transportation infrastructure. Small
Changes provides transportation to the remaining organizations that are
near its delivery route stops.=20

In three months of pilot phase operations, Magazines AGain has
distributed over 7,000 magazines with a value of nearly $28,000 to 18
high schools, food banks, family services, and AIDS/HIV support programs
throughout the Seattle area.=20

One of Magazines AGain's goals is to gain media exposure for
participants and to use this publicity to help convince additional
distribution industry recruits to join the program. The local public
relations firm of KNCF/Dave will be soliciting print and TV story
placement, and then creating a "sales kit" and a newsletter to use in
recruitment efforts. In the second phase of Magazines AGain's year-long
pilot, two additional major area periodical distribution companies are
targeted to be added to the program.=20

To insure that the project lives on beyond its pilot funding stage,
KNCF/Dave will be creating a promotional brochure for distribution to
major regional and national periodical publishers and distributors, and
soliciting long-term sponsors and funders for a permanent reuse program.

The Magazines AGain Project pilot is showing that industry and
institutional support exists for the donation of unsold periodicals to
charitable organizations and institutions. A successful reuse program
* recipient groups that can use large numbers of magazines regularly;
* coordination with existing shipping systems;
* motivated sponsors willing to donate some employee labor.

For more information about the Magazines AGain Project, contact Tim
Bernthal at (206) 783-3088. =20

(Note from Tom --Tim's e-mail service has been having problems; when
we're sure it's working again, I'll pass along his e-mail address.)
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 11:10:11 -0700
From: Richard Anthony <>
Subject: Mail failure -Reply

Myra,Amy, et all:

This is telling you (I am assuming)
that Rutherford although listed on
greenyes does not have mail box to
deliver the message. You can do
nothing about this. Switching an
account from say AOL to Juneau and
not resubscribing to the list could
be the cause of this.



Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:19:37 -0500
From: "Susan K. Snow" <>
Subject: message problems

chelsea center for recycling and economic development said:

<<Does anyone else have the problem of getting messages that their
messages didn't go through when they try to post on the listserve, even
when their messages do actually get through? I do, and I also get it
with Recycle@envirolink. Anyone know why this happens?>>

I have the same problem with:, recycle@envirolink, and .
However, I have NO idea why this happens or how to stop it.
Susan Snow


Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:49:56 -0700
From: Paul Tapley <>
Subject: message problems

Reply to: RE>>message problems

FYI - When I responded to "Computer recycling--urgent need", I got the same
message seven times w/ different names at the end, yet it seemed to go
Paul Tapley - Sonoma St. Univ. 707.664.2929

SUBJECT: Mail failure

[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses.
Mail item was not delivered to:



Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:05:49 -0500
From: "Rogers, John" <>
Subject: message problems

What a sender may be receiving is a kick back message sent back
when one or more of the list addresses is bad. The larger the list the
more opportunity for changed addresses.

John Rogers
Recycling Coordinator
Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality

"To err is human, to really foul up requires a computer" - unknown

> ----------
> From: Susan K. Snow[]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 10:19 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re:message problems
> chelsea center for recycling and economic development said:
> <<Does anyone else have the problem of getting messages that their
> messages didn't go through when they try to post on the listserve,
> even
> when their messages do actually get through? I do, and I also get it
> with Recycle@envirolink. Anyone know why this happens?>>
> Amy,
> I have the same problem with:, recycle@envirolink,
> and
> .
> However, I have NO idea why this happens or how to stop it.
> Susan Snow


Date: 07 Oct 97 18:04:02 +0100
From: Ansje Miller <>
Subject: Pill bottles

I have a bunch of (large) pill bottles that are perfectly good candidates
for reuse, but the pharmacy (Kaiser) won't take them. I can't even refill
my own prescription with the same bottle! The local food co-op won't even
take them so that people can refill them with herbs. Apparantly there is a
regulation about reusing pill bottles because they can't guarantee that
there isn't a residue on th
e bottle that would have an adverse reaction with the new medication. It
seems like it wouldn't take that much to wash them out and reuse them, but I
don't know where to take them and I certainly can't use them all myself. I
have both glass and plastic.

I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. Does anyone know how I can make sure
these things go to good use?
Ansje Miller


Date: 03 Oct 97 16:49:26 +0100
From: Ansje Miller <>
Subject: RE>Global Warming Alert

For those of you interested in climate change, there is a White House
conference on Monday that you might want to see. Apparantly the actual
White House location is a very exclusive affair, only about 100 people have
been invited.
Ansje Miller
Redefining Progress

On October 6 the White House is hosting the White House Conference on Climate
Change: Impacts of Global Warming, in Washington, DC . To accommodate
interested parties around the country, the White House will be providing a
one-way satellite feed to approximately 28 cities. The conference is
scheduled to begin at 10 am EST with Vice-President Gore introducing President
Clinton, who will speak for 20 minutes. Through the course of the day
different panels will cover the science, emissions reduction technology, and
the Kyoto conference with concluding remarks by Gore. In each of the
satellite link-up sites, their will be local panels to talk about the same
issues. Climate Countdown is working to generate a turn-out of climate
change activists at each event to deliver the message that we need action now
to reduce greenhouse pollution. The sites for satellite
participation follow:

Regional NGO Contacts for White House Conference Satellite Events
And Schedules Where Available
(version: email, 30 Sep 97)
(please contact with additions!)
(new versions posted daily of this increasingly unwieldy list)
(please pass on to folks who can use it and might not be on CAN-Talk!)

State, City; Location:
Contact: Organization, contact info
AL, Tuscaloosa; University of Alabama, Ferguson Theater:
Dr. Ed Passerini: Alabama Environmental Council, 205-348-8416

AR, Little Rock; University of Arkansas:

AZ, Tucson; Pima Community College, 401 N Bonita, Room A-109:
The workshop will be from 1pm to 4pm on Monday October 6. The first
45 minutes will be devoted to a tape made from the White House
conference downlink, and the rest will be for audience discussions and
brief talks. Contact EPA Region 9 Marty Robin (415) 744-1278 or (415)
744-1077 (fax) by October 1 to RSVP.

AZ, Phoenix; definitely CANCELLED.

CA, San Francisco; Golden Gate University, upstairs auditorium (on
Mission Street between First and Second):
JoAnn Potrzuski: Green Corps, 415-351-2017, fax: 415-351-1811

CA, Los Angeles; University of California, Kerckhoff Hall, Charles
Young Grand Salon:
Beka Economopolous: Green Corps, 310-397-5270 x3326, fax:310-391-0053,

CO, Boulder; University of Colorado, CIRES:
8-10:45 Satellite downlink panels 1-2; 10:45-12:30 Local science
12:30-1:30 Satellite downlink panels 3-4;
John Sanders: Green Corps, 303-573-7474 x302, fax:303-573-3780,

CT, Middletown; Wesleyan University, Rm. 150, Science Tower, Corner of
Pine and Church St., 10am-4:15pm:
Norman Willard, EPA;
Gary Yohe, Wesleyan University;
Ellen Thomas, Wesleyan University;
William Naehring, Connecticut College;
Johann Vareamp, Wesleyan University;
Professor Johan Vareamp (860) 685-2248,
Sierra Club-SSC.
Green Corps at Yale?

FL, Miami; Dade County Commission Chamber:
Steve Murchie: EIC, 954-563-6112, fax:954-563-6116,

GA, Atlanta; Georgia State University, Rialto Theater, 80 Forsyth St.
at Luckie:
Doors open at 9:00am; Press conference hosted by US-CAN at 9:15 in the
10am-1pm: Satelite feed of White House teleconference followed by
local panel of experts and Q&A.
Erin Englebrecht: Green Corps, ph/fax: 404-733-5634,
Marnin Robbins: NWF, 404-876-2608,
Rita Kilpatrick: Campaign for a Prosperous Georgia, 404-659-5675,

IL, Chicago;
University of Illinois at Chicago, Chicago Illini Union, 828 S.
Wolcott, Chicago Rm C;
8:30-11:45 Satellite downlink, 1:00-2:15 Local panel, 2:15-2:45
Kate Alexander: GC, 312-341-0954, fax:312-986-0604,

IA, Des Moines; Des Moines Area Community College Building 6
2006 S. Ankeny, 50021:
8:45-11:30 Satellite downlink Panels 1-2, 11:30-12:30 Local panel:
Dr. Gene Tackle, ISU;
Dave McCalley, Center for Energy and Environmental Education;
Sharon Tahtinen, Bureau of Energy;
Cathy Wollums, MidAmerican Energy Company;
1-2 Satellite Panels 3-4, 2-3:30 Wrap-up;

KS, Kansas City; EPA Region 7 Hearing Room, 726 Minnesota Ave:
8:45-11:30 Satellite downlink Panels 1-2, 11:30-12:30 Local panel:
Dr. Richard Nelson, KSU;
Ken Midkiff, Sierra Club;
John Noeller, MO DNR Dept Energy;
Robert Berkebile, BNIM Architects, Inc.;
Cathy Ghandehari, DOE;
1-2 Satellite Panels 3-4, 2-3:30 Wrap-up;

LA, New Orleans; Tulane University, University Center, Kendall-Cram
Marylee Orr, EIC, 504-928-6460, fax:504-895-5958
Lela Neff, Alliance for Affordable Energy, 504-525-0778,

MA, Medford; Tufts University, Science and Technology Center:
Local panel:
William Moomaw, Tufts;
Lawrence Susskind, MIT;
Paul Epstein, Harvard School of Medicine;
Adil Najam, Boston University;
Arthi Varma, Green Corps, 401-861-6012, fax: 617-292-8057,

MA, Woods Hole; Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, Redfield
9-5, Local Panel:
Dr. George Woodwell, Director, Woods Hole (Invited);
Dr. Jerry Melillo, Marine Biological Laboratory (Invited);
John Farrington, Judy McDowell, and Graham Giese, Woods Hole;

MI, Ann Arbor; Univ. of Michigan, Pendleton Room, UM Union, 530 S.
State Street:
Mary Addison, EIC, 517-336-0141, fax:517-337-0738,
Ken Miller, NWF, 313-769-9970,

NH, Durham; The New England Center:
9-5; Local panel:
Dr. Barrett Rock, Dr. John Aber, Dr. Eleanor Abrams, Dr. Thomas Kelly,
Ken Colburn, NH Department of Environmental Services;
Dr. Barry Keim, NH State Climatologist;
Dan Latourette, NH State Global Warming Program;
Dr. Steve Winnett, EPA;
Susan Sargent, EIC, 207-582-7041, fax:207-582-8849,

NV, Reno; Truckee Community College:
Dan Geary, EIC-Las Vegas, 702-259-0300, fax:702-258-6431,

NJ, Piscataway; Rutgers, The State University Busch Campus Student
Center, Bartholomew Road:
Ben MacConnell, Green Corps, 908-247-4606, fax:908-220-1179,

NM, Albuquerque; University of New Mexico Institute for Public Policy:
No NGO contact;
try Meeting Coordinator Dr. Hank Jenkins Smith at UNM, assistant is
Ann Landy.
or Steve Thompson, EPA Region 6.

NY, New York City; Columbia University, International Affairs
Building, Dag Hammarskjold Lounge, 6th floor:
Gina Kim, EIC, NYPIRG, 212-349-6460, fax:212-349-1366

NY, Albany; Cornell University (Cooperative Extension):
Gina Kim, EIC, NYPIRG, 212-349-6460, fax:212-349-1366

NC, Raleigh; North Carolina State University, McKimmon Center for
Professional Education (corner of Western Blvd. and Gorman Street):
No NGO contact;
try Dr. Bob Bruck, Assistant Vice Chancellor, NC State University.

OH, Cleveland; Great Lakes Science Center, 601 Erieside Ave.:
9:30 Introduction; 10-12:30 Satellite downlink panels 1-2;
1-2 Local panel; 2-2:45, Q&A; 2:45-3, Closing;
Amy Ryder, EIC, 216-861-5200, fax:216-694-6904,

OR, Portland; Veterans Administration Medical Center, 3710 SW Veterans
8:30-4pm. contact Ken Brooks at Portland EPA (503) 326-3250:
Jaime Mackline, NWF, 503-231-5418,
Joe Walicki, Oregon Environmental Council, 503-222-1963

PA, Pittsburgh; Carnegie Mellon or University of Pittsburgh or
Community College:
Matt Rand, EIC, 215-567-4004 x222, fax:215-567-5791,

Puerto Rico, San Juan; Metropolitan University Campus Theater, Road
176 Rio Piedras:

TN, Knoxville, University of Tennessee:
Mary Liz Knish, EIC, 615-321-5075, fax:615-321-5082,
Dr. Stephen Smith, Tenn. Valley Energy Reform Coalition, 423-637-6055,

TX, College Station, Texas A&M University:
Peter Altman, SEED, 512-479-7744,
Tom Smith, Public Citizen, 512-477-1155,

TX, Austin: University of Texas-- student rally, no downlink site.
Scott, public citizen, 512 477-1155 or peter altman, SEED Coalition,
512 479-7744.

UT, Salt Lake City, University of Utah, Skaggs Hall:
Jonathan Slemmer, University of Utah,,
(801) 322-5175.

VA, Williamsburg, Virginia Marine Institute:
Donna Shell, EIC, ph/fax:804-232-8612,

WA, Seattle, NOAA, 7600 Sandpoint Way, NE, Building 9:
8:30-8:40 Introduction; 8:40-10:15 Satellite downlink science panel;
10:15-11:45 Local panel:
Arunn Jhaveri, Mayor, Burien;
Dan Bodansky, UW Law School;
K.C. Golden, Department of Community Trade and Economic Development;
Stan Price, Northwest Energy Efficiency Council;
Dennis McLerran, Puget Sound Air Pollution Control Agency;
Sara Patton, Northwest Conservation Coalition (invited);
1-3 Satellite downlink, panels 2-3; 3-5 Northwest breakout sessions,
Peter Blair, Green Corps, 206-523-8985

WV, Charlestown, CANCELLED?.


Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:34:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: (David L. Stitzhal)
Subject: Toxics and Children Conference

Greetings Fellow Listers,

I thought you might be interested in this symposium coming up in Seattle.
I am currently Chair of the Board for Washington Toxics Coalition if you
have any questions.

Thanks for your interest.

David Stitzhal

>Presented by the Washington Toxics Coalition
>November 8, 1997
>1 p.m. to 5 p.m.
>Nippon Kan Theatre, Seattle
>Preregistration strongly advised. (See form below.)
>Introduction by U.S. Congressman Jim McDermott
>Ted Schettler, MD, MPH, noted national authority on toxic links to cancer,
>learning disabilities, and developmental problems.
>Mary Oetzel, nationally known consultant on reducing toxic exposures in
>schools and homes.
>A Panel of Regional Experts:
>Amy Duggan, Master Home Environmentalist Program
>Elizabeth Loudon, Washington Toxics Coalition, Pesticide Reduction
>Project, Schools Campaign
>Yalonda Sinde, Community Coalition for Environmental Justice
>Philip Dickey, Washington Toxics Coalition, Home Safe Home Project
>Carol Dansereau, Washington Toxics Coalition, Industrial Toxics Project
>Learn about:
>* the sorts of common toxic exposures children are experiencing from
>pesticides, offgassing household products and furniture, contaminants
>accumulating in housedust, industrial and agricultural pollutants in food
>and water, etc.
>* the health effects of these prenatal and childhood exposures,
>* what you can do at home and at school to reduce children's toxic exposures,
>* what's happening in Congress, the state legislature, and governmental
>agencies that affects children's environmental health,
>* how you can plug into a growing national movement for better protecting
>children from toxic exposures.
>Washington Education Association
>Washington Physicians for Social Responsibility
>League of Women Voters of Washington
>Puget Consumers Co-op
>Environmental Education Association of Washington
>Coalition for Environmentally Safe Schools
>Community Coalition for Environmental Justice
>Children's Health Environmental Coalition
>Seattle Waldorf School
>Interagency Indoor Air Council
>Mothers and Others for a Livable Planet
>American Lung Association of Washington
>Well Mind Association
>Washington Public Interest Research Group
>Forty-Fifth Avenue Clinic
>University of Washington-NIEHS Center for
> Ecogenetics and Environmental Health,
> Community Outreach and Education Program
> Lutheran Public Policy Office of Washington
>Bastyr University
>Toxic exposures are implicated in problems like
>* increasing rates of childhood cancers,
>* learning impairments and attention problems,
>* increasing rates of birth defects,
>* apparent increases in genital abnormalities and related problems,
>* the endometriosis epidemic and other reproductive problems,
>* immune system problems and illnesses,
>* increases in childhood asthma
>Come find out more about these problems and how we can better protect
>children from toxic exposures as individuals and as a society.
>To register, print out and mail us the following registration form with
>the appropriate payment.
>For more information, call our office at 206-632-1545. If you can put out
>brochures or put up flyers about the symposium, let us know and we'll send
>some. If you can put this event on your webpage, that would be wonderful.
>And please, send this email message on to anyone who might be
>interested. Thanks!
>Registration Form
> (print, fill out, mail with payment to Children's Conference, Washington
>Toxics Coalition, 4516 University Way, NE, Seattle, WA 98105;
>206-632-1545 (p))
>Yes! I want to register for the November 8, 1997 symposium, Protecting
>Children from Toxic Exposures.
>Name (and Affiliation, if any)
>City State Zip
>Phone, Fax,
>Email address, webpage
>______Individual $25
>______WTC Members $20
>______Individual Registration Fee plus WTC Membership $40
>(Becoming a member of WTC supports our work, provides you with our
>quarterly newsletter Alternatives and gives you discounts on WTC
>Limited number of partial scholarships available.
>______I wish to make an additional contribution of $ help WTC
>cover the costs of this symposium and our work to protect children from
>toxic exposures.
>Bill My:
>____VISA ______Master Card
>____Discover ______Check Enclosed payable
> to WTC
>Credit Card #_________________________
>Expiration Date _______________________
>WTC is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization
>Federal ID #91-1214158

Carol Dansereau, J.D. Phone: 206-632-1545
Director, Industrial Toxics Project Fax: 206-632-8661
Washington Toxics Coalition
4516 University Way, NE
Seattle, WA 98105


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