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Fly ash components to fossil fuels: References needed, please
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GreenYes Digest V97 #300
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Looking for US EPA report (2 msgs)
Looking for US EPA report -Reply
Mandates for recycling used oil filters
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Small recycling based business concepts
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:24:31 -0800 (PST)
From: TARA PIKE <pike@nevada.edu>
Subject: additional information
I just sent a message, I left off these two "situationals".
1. The MRF operates 24/7. I guess it is considered a clean MRF.
2. Curbside recycling is a three bin system (they are like crates). One
for paper (unknown what kind, I think it is just news. Example of lack of
education), one is for glass (no specifications on what color), and the
last is tin, plastic and aluminum.
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Tara Pike e-mail: pike@nevada.edu
Rebel Recycling Coordinator phone: (702) 895-1630
University of Nevada Las Vegas (UNLV) fax: (702) 895-4436
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 05:42:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Joel Makower <makower@greenbiz.com>
Subject: automotive parts and fluid recycling
I am seeking best management practices for a publication we are preparing
on automotive parts and fluid recycling. Any ideas and resources would be
greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Joel Makower
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Joel Makower, Editor
The Green Business Letter
1519 Connecticut Ave. NW
Washington, DC 20036
202-332-1700 (tel)
202-332-3028 (fax)
makower@greenbiz.com
http://www.greenbiz.com
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 07:42:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Boston CWA 486 <bostoncwa@cleanwater.org>
Subject: automotive parts and fluid recycling
Joel:
recently saw a print ad (Nov97 Recycling Today p114
www.autopartsearch.com) with a web site for consortium of used auto parts
dealers;
maybe there are a number already trying that.
seems like if that took off, was widely used and accessible, could be
significant contribution to "closing the loop" on auto parts recycling.
In Mass. the state has been pushing local public collection centers for auto
fluids; (our used oil take-back law has not worked out well) -- some
collection stations are oil only, some are also antifreeze. Don't know the
extent of practical problems with them getting mixed.
I've heard of curbside oil collection (in the South?); I'm amazed.
My ideal would be for fire stations to handle that kind of thing, to
give effecient neighborhood access and good hours; seems a perfect marriage.
If they happen to be out at a fire, come back some other time. And they are
re-focusing on high-tech chemical stuff anyway. The municipal collections
in Boston are getting better, but are still much too inconvenient.
I think I've read of auto service ctr programs of storing used
antifreeze locally, a mobile service provider comes around with equipment
that renews it for reuse on-site, sounds ideal to me.
Biggest "missing piece" that seems easily remedied is lack of info
to customers of service stations -- a local or national system of
awards/recognition/signage at shops so that consumers could favor shops with
good practices. If AAA were a different kind of org...
Boston seems to have a great program of Environmental Strike Force
team that takes on Bad Actors, but no carrot/gold stars on the other side
that I've heard of.
When I researched used oil recycling in northern California years
ago it was rather spotty, but it seems to be getting a real push lately,
both in many access points and keeping the cost to user low.
-k
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Keith c/o bostoncwa@igc.org
37 Hastings St., #206-IA
West Roxbury, MA 02132
Computer Specialists
InterNetWorking, Public Access & Participation
Environmental Review
total recycling - zero waste
W.Rox/Boston, MA USA
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At 05:42 AM 12/10/97 -0800, you wrote:
>I am seeking best management practices for a publication we are preparing
>on automotive parts and fluid recycling. Any ideas and resources would be
>greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Joel Makower
>
>
>*************************
>Joel Makower, Editor
>The Green Business Letter
>1519 Connecticut Ave. NW
>Washington, DC 20036
>202-332-1700 (tel)
>202-332-3028 (fax)
>makower@greenbiz.com
>http://www.greenbiz.com
>*************************
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:10:26 -0800 (PST)
From: TARA PIKE <pike@nevada.edu>
Subject: cost of improving community recycling services
I have a question regarding community recycling programs. I wanted to ask
the list for suggestions, opinions, case studies, examples of other
communities, facts, etc (ANYTHING) to help us improve recycling in our
area. Our waste hauler is going for a rate increase in January and we feel
that before it is granted they should be doing more to improve recycling
and encourage recycling (when I say we I am including people in the
county). The problem is that we do not know what is reasonable to ask for.
I would like to see what people on the list think and if any of you have
examples from your communities about what we could be doing here. We need
to know what the norm is for recycling services.
To start, here are the details on the situation and our community.
1. Large community - over 1 million people
2. One of the fastest growing cities in the country. About 6,000 people
move here per month, 2,000 move out so we gain around 4,000 people per
month.
3. We have one monopoly waste hauler (contract granted by county
commissioners). This hauler has an exclusive contract to haul waste and
they own the landfill.
4. The waste hauler provides curbside recycling services. They started
the program a few years ago. The garbage rates were increased to subsidize
the curbside program (garbage bills city-wide were increased 8%). There
was initial education about the program, but none since. They do not have
any public outreach about the program. Most residence have no idea about
the proper usage of the recycling bins. New residents are no targeted for
any kind of education. THERE IS NO EDUCATION!
Business are not charged per weight or per volume. It is per pick-up. Only
specific schedules are provided. For example, the university can only have
a two or a six day pick-up schedule. We are not allowed to tell them we
want 3 day pick-up on this dumpster, 4 day on this, etc.
5. Garbage is colected 2x per week. Recyclables are once every two weeks.
6. The waste hauler provide multi-family recycling, but I believe the
complex must pay for the recycling dumpsters.
7. They provide cardboard dumpsters to businesses but for a monthly fee.
8. They use to provide office paper collection programs, but this was
dis-continued and their reason was that it was not cost-effective. The
office paper program consisted of 96 gallon toters and participants
co-mingled recyclables. This service is no longer provided.
9. They provide 4 household hazardous waste drop off days per year.
10 . Our garbage rates are some of the lowest in the country. I think we
are at around $14-$16 per ton.
11. The closest markets for our recyclables are 5 or 6 hours away by
truck.
Some decision makers are say things like:
"we make [this company] subsidize residential recycling, why should we
make them subsidize commercial, other public agencies, etc."
"the market for paper products is making [this company] eat those cost,
they're not making any money"
"if the county makes [this company] increase certain service, they
will pass the cost on to the customer. We have some of the lowest cost
for solid waste in the country!"
I think if nothing else this company should be spending money on education
of the residents. I am not sure if we can ask them to start the office
paper program again. What do you think?
IF YOU LIVED HERE WHAT WOULD YOU ASK FOR FROM THIS COMPANY? WHAT IS AN
AVERAGE STANDARD OF RECYCLING SERVICES WE SHOULD EXPECT FROM A COMPANY?
I am sure this is going to be a big debate. Please try and give us some
tangible things to wok with. Maybe case studies, references, etc. (of
course the debate will help too).
THANKS EVERYONE,
Tara
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Tara Pike e-mail: pike@nevada.edu
Rebel Recycling Coordinator phone: (702) 895-1630
University of Nevada Las Vegas (UNLV) fax: (702) 895-4436
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:50:42 -0600
From: Susan Snow <sksnow@1stnet.com>
Subject: Fly ash components to fossil fuels: References needed, please
I need references to reports and where I can obtain them, which cite fly
ash components to fossil fuels --both oil and coal?
Thanks.
Susan Snow
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:43:03 EST
From: STEVESUESS <STEVESUESS@aol.com>
Subject: Getting rid of CD's
The Plactory is a manufacturer of plastic injection molded products made from
100% recycled plastics. We take materials that are generally recycled
elsewhere, and we do use a lot of polycarbonate, and we do accept old CD's.
The problem is that we do not have the resources to pay for them or for the
freight to us for them.
If you want to get rid of them, have a little cash to send them to us, we
will make sure they become a new product.
The Plactory
986 Tower Place
Santa Cruz, CA 95062
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:17:39 EST
From: "David L. Turner" <dturner@YSI.COM>
Subject: GreenYes Digest V97 #300
It was recently written here that:
>... quantities are reported in ug/MJ. MJ=million jewels; 1
>jewel= 1,054 Btus.
Be advised that the J stands for a unit of energy, the
Joule, not a "jewel" even though they are pronounced the
pretty much the same way.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Profit is the result and reward of
doing things right and doing the right
things. Therein lies the balance.
Randy Berger, Comdial Corporation
Regards,
David Turner
YSI Safety Coordinator
1725 Brannum Lane
Yellow Springs, Ohio 45387
Email: DTurner@YSI.com
Phone 1-937-767-1685 ext. 270
Facmetaphor: 1-937-767-9353
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 07:42:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Boston CWA 486 <bostoncwa@cleanwater.org>
Subject: Junk Mail
Roger:
Very cute idea, worth publishing! -- even if it isn't legal/practical...
(All those business slimes who have used the back-of-the-check trick
to legally manipulate people, this is the first suggestion to turn the tables.)
-k
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Keith c/o bostoncwa@igc.org
total recycling - zero waste
W.Rox/Boston, MA USA
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At 11:07 PM 12/9/97 -0500, Roger M. Guttentag wrote:
>At 12:46 PM 12/5/97 -0800, you wrote:
>============================================================
>Dear Myra:
>
>It would seem appropriate to have the following statement (or something
>similar to it) actually printed on the back of the check :
>
>" By endorsing this check, the payee agrees not to LEND, SELL or TRADE
>my name to any other organization for its mailing lists. Further, Payee
>agrees to pay (name your amount) to the Payer if the Payer can demonstrate
>the Payee's failure to abide by the terms of this agreement."
>
>Are there any members of the legal profession on the GreenYes list who would
>care to comment on the legality of this wording or who could propose
>something more legally effective?
>
>Roger M. Guttentag
>E-MAIL: rgutten@concentric.net
>TEL: 215-513-0452
>FAX: 215-513-0453
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:11:23 -0600
From: "John Reindl" <reindl@co.dane.wi.us>
Subject: Looking for US EPA report
Does anyone know if the following report is on the Web and can post
a web address? I looked for it with Alta Vista, but couldn't find
it.
Inventory of US Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Sinks: 1990-1994, EPA-
230-R-96-006, November 1995
Thanks,
John Reindl, Recycling Manager
Dane Co, WI
reindl@co.dane.wi.us
(608)267-1533 - fax
(608)267-8815 - phone
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:30:32 EST
From: Jango <Jango@aol.com>
Subject: Looking for US EPA report
Hey John,
Have you looked on EPA's site?
One page I know of that might help is http://www.epa.gov/globalwarming/
For solid waste stuff add sub2/plan.sub/waste_rd/ to the end.
Also, I find with EPA stuff (domestic) that AltaV, Yahoo and even Excite don't
really get me far enough, but EPA's library does. If you go to EPA's home I
think they have a doc. search. Should just have to type in your doc. #
David Biddle
Philadelphia, PA
In a message dated 12/10/97 2:12:14 PM, reindl@co.dane.wi.us wrote:
>Does anyone know if the following report is on the Web and can post
>a web address? I looked for it with Alta Vista, but couldn't find
>it.
>
>Inventory of US Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Sinks: 1990-1994, EPA-
>230-R-96-006, November 1995
>
>Thanks,
>
>John Reindl, Recycling Manager
>Dane Co, WI
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:26:29 -0600
From: "John Reindl" <reindl@co.dane.wi.us>
Subject: Looking for US EPA report -Reply
Hi Truett -
Thanks for the information; I found the document right away. It is
an excellent site for accessing EPA publications!!
John
>Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:38:41 -0500
>From: TRUETT DEGEARE <DEGEARE.TRUETT@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV>
>To: reindl@co.dane.wi.us
>Subject: Looking for US EPA report -Reply
>Hi, John. I found it in a list at the following site:
>http://www.epa.gov/clhtml/pubtitle.html
>If it doesn't work, let me know.
>>> John Reindl <reindl@co.dane.wi.us> 12/10/97 11:11am >>>
>>Does anyone know if the following report is on the Web and can post
>>a web address? I looked for it with Alta Vista, but couldn't find
>>it.
>>Inventory of U.S. Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Sinks: 1990-1994, EPA-
>>230-R-96-006, November 1995
>>Thanks,
>>John Reindl, Recycling Manager
>>Dane Co, WI
reindl@co.dane.wi.us
(608)267-1533 - fax
(608)267-8815 - phone
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:31:46 -0600
From: "John Reindl" <reindl@co.dane.wi.us>
Subject: Mandates for recycling used oil filters
Dear List members --
I got a call today from a legislator's staff who is interested in
banning used oil filters from landfills and is looking for any
advice. The law would include a tacit requirement that local
communities in some cases have collection and recycling programs for
used oil filters and the state would help reimburse the communities
for some of their costs.
Does anyone have any experiences with a similar effort, either
positive or negative? Is there a way to provide some manufacturers'
or retailers' responsibility here?
The goal is to move on this bill quickly, so I would greatly
appreciate your advice.
John Reindl, Recycling Manager
Dane County, WI
reindl@co.dane.wi.us
(608)267-1533 - fax
(608)267-8815 - phone
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:43:05 EST
From: STEVESUESS <STEVESUESS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Steve and Pat's debate on zero waste
Thank-you Helen,
I fully agree with your explanation of my comments, and agree with the gist
of what you say.
I have always supported a long term goal or "design principal" if you will,
and have always felt it ought to be Zero Waste as anything other than that
would ultimately be absurd. Once the goal is agreed upon, then I ask how do
we get there?
I am in business and talk to business people everyday - Zero Waste seems
completely reasonable and logical to them! The ONLY people I am getting flack
from are the waste/recycling industry people! Seems silly to me!!!
I have always been in favor of what I call the Hawken approach of taxing bads
and not the goods. This means pollution taxes, and the likes. I am in
business and need to make a profit. Large corporations live from one
quarterly to the next and the wrath of shareholders is their greatest fear:
Shareholders expect high returns or else! They only way they can become more
environmental is make money doing that, and the best kind of laws we can pass
in this arena are taxes on bads, subsidies (if any) on goods!
Back to Coke: I've always felt Coke was a kamakazi mission to generate some
publicity. Publicity is good, but where do we do the work and move the
mountains?
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:25:34 -0800
From: Ann Schneider <aschneid@cats.ucsc.edu>
Subject: Small recycling based business concepts
Hi Market Development Specialists:
I gave a presentation on market development to a group of Directors of
National Health programs from India, Pakistan, Ethiopia, Nepal and
Guyana. They are in the US looking for ways of reducing health and
environmental degradation.
They asked if there are publications, web sites, consultants or
organizations that have information on smaller scale, smaller
capitolization and lower technology reuse and recycling manufacturing
technology or business devlopment concepts.
So, I am asking if any of you know of reference material on smaller,
lower tech business concepts that I could send to these people. Not all
of them are 'wired' so I will consolidate any responses into a hardcopy
format.
I've thought that the NRC Rural Recycling Council, and the work Maggie
Gainer has done might be appropiate for the villages that are trying to
develop new industries. I've also heard that SPRA in Arizona was
working on smaller scale or cottage industry market development.
Any ideas would be extremely helpful.
Ann Schneider
JTR94/96
UC Santa Cruz
Business Environmental Assist. Center
aschneid@cats.ucsc.edu
3120 De la Cruz Blvd.
Santa Clara, CA 95054
408 748-3200
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:36:31 -0800
From: Ann Schneider <aschneid@cats.ucsc.edu>
Subject: Used Bldg. Material vs. environm costs/benefits
Hi All:
I have a government agency client who is thinking of spending money to
support the creation of a used building materials store. This store
will be located in southern California.
In preliminary research they have heard that the negative environmental
effects of the reuse of used building materials may outway the reuse of
thos materials. For example, they heard that the market for used
toilets is hot at this time because people who had to purchase low flow
and ultra low flow toilets hate them and are replacing them with old,
used, water hogging toilets.
This client would like to see data or written reports comparing the
environmental pluses and minuses of used building materials. Other
pertinent information might be on remanufacturing techniques that
upgrade the old building materials to meet current environmental
specifications. For example, old windows that don't meet current
R-values, are either reused in sheds, barns or other areas that are not
heated or plastic laminents are placed over the glass to increase the
insulation capabilities.
Your assistance is appreciated. Again, this client would like to see
information that has been published so they can use it to support
funding this project.
Many thanks,
Ann Schneider
JTR 94 96
UCSC - BEAC
3120 De la Cruz Blvd.
Santa Clara, CA 95054
408 748-3200 phone
408 748-7388 fax
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:14:32 -0700
From: James Wood <James@hiri.com>
Subject: volume vs. weight based garbage collection -Reply
We are working on a system that will include multi-family complexes in
variable rate garbage collection programs and although the system is not
yet commercially available, we are leaning towards weight based billing.
I would appreciate any comments or suggestions, especially relative to
how to include weight based billing when the single family homes are
volume, bag or tag based. Can we come up with a fair conversion
factor in each community?
Remember to recycle and protect our water,
James
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