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GreenYes Digest Sat, 26 Apr 97 Volume 97 : Issue 91

Today's Topics:
China / Polystyrene
help! hhw landfills question
Recycling Science and Politics
Recycling Times coverage
Student Earth Da y Actions-AL
The University and students go over environmental issues with Coke

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:50:32 -0400
Subject: China / Polystyrene

In my opinion, there are two criteria for materials: In an =
environmentally safe manner, they must: 1) be recycled, or 2) =
biodegrade/compost. Only materials necessary for the public health or =
national security should be exempt from these criteria. Storage is the =
only responsible answer for exempt materials, not polluting landfills =
and incinerators.

The economic arguments against "zero waste" methods cannot cost account =
for extensive, and often permanent, damage to the public health and the =

Lynn Landes

Sent: Friday, April 11, 1997 4:20 AM
Subject: re:China / Polystyrene

Just wondered? Could it not form part of a sustainable solution? How
reusable / recyclable are the wood pulp containers, anyway?
Mr. Muna Lakhani

Cellfax: 082-131-416-9160
28 Currie Road - Durban - 4001 - South Africa
Phone: +27-31-20-28-291


Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 20:32:08 -0400
Subject: help! hhw landfills question

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Check out the following sites. Pass your message along to Dr. Fred Lee:

Lynn Landes
From: St. Paul Energy Consortium[]
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 1997 6:37 PM
To: GreenYes@UCSD.EDU
Subject: help! hhw landfills question

Does anyone know anything about Class C, industrial waste landfills?

If a landfill is designed to be 20 above the ground when it is "done" does
it make a difference if its permit is later changed to be 60 feet? Will the
same liner/leachate collection system work? Are there other technical
concerns? Does it matter if the permit is changed to now include haz.
waste, not just industrial waste? Will it matter if incinerator ash is put
into one cell? Are there any other concerns about leaking or off-gassing
that are different for a industrial waste landfill versus a combined
industrial waste/haz. waste/incinerator ash landfill?

Thank you for any help you can give the residents of Dakota County, MN. We
have three weeks to get our information together.
"Saint Paul Neighborhood Energy Consortium" <>

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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 02:13:33, -0500
Subject: Recycling Science and Politics

Eric Larson wrote:

"Paul wrote:

>I joined this list to share
>information on solid waste, recycling and other related
>issues. I care nothing about your political opinions. All I want out

>of this site is to share information on waste management and
>other environmental Info. I do not need someone to lecture me on

I am caught in the same frustration with much of the
research that I do. I am called on to inform grassroots political
organizations about the economics of recycling. They often charge
the numbers I give them with political electricity which seems to
distort and hinder objective assessments of recycling.

I came to this list to find an exchange of objective
about recycling, solid waste, and related issues. I find I need
sort of objective, scientific clearing house for information.
the research work that I do gets drawn into the very heated
debates before it has been verified and tested.

I much prefer the role of informing political debate and
would rather
leave the political front line battles to others. I do not have the
for the ongoing confrontational battles that I see our local
activists fight. I admire and applaud their efforts. But there is
also a need
for a rational scientific discussion of the technology, economics,
management issues surrounding recycling. Part of the reason I
read all posts on this listserver is because the posts are informed
and helpful
in understanding recycling issues."

I too am a researcher, but economic/technology/operations/management
research in the recycling field can not be carried out in a vacuum.
Presenting your work in this field is quite different from others.
In most other fields, you will most likely be addressing a group of
colleagues with similar backgrounds. In the recycling/waste
management field, you are often dealing with a diverse audience with
a wide range of backgrounds and agendas. Dealing with the politics
and different agendas is the nature of the beast.... you can not
simply turn it off. If you turn it off and a keep your research
confined to academia, then how does that impact the real world of
recycling? If you have some good results to share, get it out there!
If you find that certain parties, as you say "often charge the
numbers I give them with political electricity which seems to distort
and hinder objective assessments of recycling," then rectify the
situation as soon as possible.

Hope to hear more from you in the future.


Dave Reynolds


Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:11:49 -0400
Subject: Recycling Times coverage

Folks: The following URL will bring you to Waste Age, Recycling Times, =
and Infectious Waste News ( I'm making links to =
on-line waste/recycling news services. Check out my site: = at =,Media,Voters.htm
If you know of other links that fit this category, please pass them =
along to me.

Lynn Landes

From: David A. Kirkpatrick[]
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 1997 3:53 AM
To: GreenYes@UCSD.EDU
Subject: Recycling Times coverage

For GRRNers not subscribing to Recycling Times...some recent coverage =
from their website:

Grassroots Recycling Network takes action to force "corporate =
Challenge to Coca-Cola To Cut Waste Goes Unanswered=20
By Kim A. O'Connell

"The Coca-Cola Co., based in Atlanta, has not responded to a public
challenge to take voluntary steps toward reducing waste from soft drink
bottles and cans.=20
The challenge was issued in mid-March by the Grassroots =
Network (GRN), which brought together a national coalition of advocacy
organizations, including the California Resource Recovery Association, =
Institute for Local Self-Reliance, the Sierra Club National Waste =
and the Georgia Sierra Club."
Full text:

Environmental Groups, Businesses Call for Totally Chlorine Free Paper in =
By Kathleen M. White

"A coalition of more than 200 environmental organizations, public =
groups, and businesses is urging the U.S. EPA to adopt standards that =
require the pulp and paper industry in the U.S. to install totally
chlorine-free technology in their manufacturing facilities."=20
Full text:

Other articles on GRRN and related issues are available on their website =


Date: Fri, 25 Apr 97 08:01:06 PST
Subject: Student Earth Da y Actions-AL

[forwarded from aaron bouska via alicia lyttle, tulane university and grrn
steering cmtee]

aaron bouska [] wrote:
> Alicia -
> thanks for inquiring. yes, we too had much success. our group picketed
> outside a local coca cola distribution center. as of this morning, i have
> heard that we appeared on local news stations and in the local paper.
> Coke reps seemed perplexed, issued a bull shit statement, and tried to pacify
> some of our "native" protestors by offering them gifts of coke products.
> go figure, i guess colonialistic thinking runs rampant in corporate america.
> we also collected many signatures which we shall soon send in.
> we had a great time, thanks for clueing us in to the "goings on"
> be well.
> aaron bouska
GRRN SC: These college students in WI were successful!
At Tulane we had booths in our University Center with petition signing
and general education about the plastic bottles. We received over 200
signatures and had students pledge not to buy Coke out of the plastic
bottles. It was great!


Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:30:18 -0400
From: Jodi Bakst <>
Subject: subscribe

I would like to subscribe to the greenyes list serve. Thanks.


Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 17:41:41 +0000
From: Mark Fearer <>
Subject: The University and students go over environmental issues with Coke

I just saw this on a college wire service and thought it might be of

Mark Fearer

The University and students go over environmental issues with Coke
By Deborah Mora and Michele Steele
The Daily Illini (U. of Illinois)

(U-WIRE) CHAMPAIGN, Ill. -- Financial gain went up against environmental
loss Tuesday in a meeting between several University factions and
from Coke, the University's soon-to-be exclusive beverage provider.

The meeting addressed the environmental implications of introducing
environmentally un-friendly PET plastic bottles to vending machines,
as the only option or in addition to aluminum cans.

The 20 ounce plastic bottles would be sold for one dollar each and would
mean more revenue for both Coke as well as the University, whose revenue
from pouring rights depends on sales. But, PET plastic can only be
once and currently, the market for recycled plastic is miniscule.

Sara Clusen, representative from Students for Environmental Concerns
and senior in ACES said the University should refrain from acting like a
corporation on this issue and make environmental concerns top priority.

"I think Coke knows really knows what they want - to maximize profit -
and I
think the University wants revenue from pouring rights as the
time the University needs to act in a socially responsible way, their
business isn't to maximize profit."

Student trustee Todd Wallace agreed.

"We are willing to trade off that financial benefit for something that
environmentally friendly," Wallace said.

Wallace, senior in ACES, said the tradeoff is a 100 percent profit
motivation versus a 100 percent environmental motivation, with Coke
for profit and University going for the environment.

However, associate chancellor Judith Rowan said Coke does take
issues seriously. And because the University is not a corporation, it
be "bottom-line oriented."

Ultimately, there will be compromise on both sides.

"We want to nail down what is mutually beneficial for both Coke and the
University on the environment issue," Wallace said.

"I think Coke is willing to deal," Wallace said.

Clusen said Coke might see student boycotts if the University accepts
plastic bottles.

"Students at the University of Virginia are boycotting PET plastic. If
University is inundated with plastic, that would be a good reponse."

Clusen said more plastic would result in more litter and more cost on
part of the University in terms of getting rid of the plastic. On these
points, recycling coordinator for University Operations and Maintenance
Hoss concurred.

Clusen also said more plastic would keep the University from reaching
state mandated waste quota. Hoss wasn't sure Clusen was right on this

"I don't know if it's going to have an impact in terms of the
(the mandate)...the tonnage (from plastic) is not that great," Hoss

Hoss added that his hope was that more plastic wouldn't lead to "an
of waste generation on campus and other waste handling problems."

He also said he wanted to be "assured we can recycle these materials."

Rowan said she thought Coke representatives came away from the meeting
a better understanding of what the issues are.

Clusen said she was confident in the University making environmental
concerns an issue with Coke.

"It was made clear to us by the administration that they are serious
keeping their mind on environmental issues... because the administration
taking the issue seriously I think there will be (a fair mix of aluminum
plastic) or at least a better mix than if it was left up to Coke

Environmental concerns aside, the University still has not dismissed PET
plastic bottles altogether.

Rowan asked Operations and Maintance to try and devlop an analysis how
it would cost to develop a component to add plastic recycling to the
recycling prgram. There will be another meeting with Coke and the
industry before the end of the year.

Clusen stressed Coke is looking to make money - but should do so with a

"At the same time they need to realize that just because they're making
greater profit, doesn't mean it's a socially responsible choice."


=A9 Daily Illini

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