| This is a very useful discussion because we are zeroing in on the center
of the waste dilemma, where convergence of opinion so often turns into
divergence -- and unnecessary squabbling over where to focus public
policy. 
 Traditional concern about waste has focused around the "downstream
impacts" of our waste policy, pointing to horrific impacts on human
health and the natural environment caused by landfilling and incinerating
wastes.
 
 More recent analysis has disclosed that the "upstream impacts"
are at least as important, pointing to the waste of resources when
throw-away products are burned or buried.
 
 In the 1960s and 1970s, public policy tried to address the downstream
impacts by beefing up pollution control requirements for landfills and
incinerators. But these policies failed to address the upstream impacts,
because landfills and incinerators still suck materials with high levels
of embodied energy out of the economy, creating a vacuum that drives the
production of ever more highly engineered, short-lived
products....
 
 Then in the 1980s and 1990s, public policy tried to address the upstream
impacts by introducing waste "diversion" programs to cycle
short-lived products back into productive use. But, as Peter shows us
with those great examples, publicly-sanctioned recycling can
produce negative impacts both to human health and the
environment, and both upstream and downstream.
 
 We're still looking for public policy that can effectively tackle both
the upstream and downstream impacts.
 
 My own hunch is that we need a twin public policy that simultaneously
ends the current downstream practice of publicly-sanctioned
landfilling/incineration, while at the same time shifts the
responsibility for waste back upstream to those who made it happen --
specifically, the brand-owners who develop the product marketing chain
for wasteful products.
 
 This raises a really critical public policy question that we are working
out in British Columbia: should the legislative requirements on product
brand-owners be "prescriptive" (requirements to use
refillable bottles, for instance) or should they be
"results-oriented," setting performance standards that
protect public health and the environment, but leave it to brand-owners
to develop creative ways to meet these ends.
 
 (I won't even mention the third alternative, which is a hold-over from
the pre-EPR era, of having the state develop programs to clean up after
producers and simply send the bill to the producers.)
 
 We have opted for the "results-oriented" approach, in the
belief that it is better to focus public attention on what the public
knows best and can testify to most authentically: the harm caused by
poor environmental and social practices. Thus we quantify the dollars
spent on managing wasteful products, the carbon load of
energy-intensive products that are designed for short life, the
illness caused by polluting production and disposal practices
(today's paper reports that birth defects are up 40% in China caused by
polluting industries that supply us with cheap goods...).
 
 Helen.
 
 
 
 At 05:47 PM 10/29/2007, Peter Spendelow wrote:
 
 
 Neil and Helen,
 I don't think John would disagree that cheap landfilling is a
 disincentive to recycling, and many of us also believe that
 incineration of mixed waste, even if for energy recovery, is not 
the
 best use of much of that waste.  However, the analysis we have
been
 doing in Oregon points to upstream impacts - the environmental
damage
 caused by the harvesting of raw materials and the
manufacturing
 processes to make products - as being much more important than
the
 downstream impacts of disposal.  I think you argue that by
making
 landfilling cheap, we make it easier to dispose of materials and
thus
 make it less likely that those materials will be recycled.  That
is
 certainly true.  However, it is the reduction in recycling - not
the
 damage caused by landfilling - that creates environmental damage
when
 new materials have to be harvested and processed to make up for
 materials that are thrown away.
 
 I know that Neil fully understands the importance of upstream
effects,
 and he discusses in an earlier post.  However, for those who may
not
 have thought as much about this, I will give 3 examples of where
 materials are recycled, but in such a way that they either cause
 environmental damage or else they are recycled in a much less
 environmentally-friendly way than they could be.
 
 Case 1: Biodegradable plastic like PLA (polylactic acid) being
 composted instead of recycled.  Some people view biodegradable
plastic
 as a zero waste solution, because you can compost the plastic and
have
 nothing go to landfill.  I view the decision to compost a
 biodegradable plastic as 100% waste, because you take all of the
 energy that went into growing the corn, making the fertilizer,
 harvesting the corn, fermenting it to make lactic acid, and
processing
 this into PLA, and you waste all of this energy when you compost 
the
 PLA.  You don't even get any compost out of it - it all degrades
to
 carbon dioxide and water.  You then have to go out and grown
more
 corn, etc.  If you recycled the plastic, you would save at least
some
 of this energy and produce far less greenhouse gases in the
process.
 
 Case 2: "No Spark Bark".  An Oregon entrepreneur came up
with the
 great idea of taking roofing shingles, grinding them, mixing them
with
 bark dust, and marketing the mixture as "no spark bark" to use
on
 garden beds and other places where people spread bark dust.
 Eventually people figured out that asphalt shingles are full of 
very
 toxic substances, and it does not make sense to use this product 
any
 place where children play or where any of us might be exposed to
dust
 from it.  A lot of "no spark bark" has had to be cleaned
up and
 disposed, and that which still remains out on the ground is not
really
 saving any significant resources.
 
 Case 3: Glass used as aggregate.  Unfortunately, even here in
the
 greater Portland area where we have a glass plant, more and more
 curbside glass is being used for very low-grade uses such as
aggregate
 rather than used to make glass bottles or fiberglass.  The problem
is
 poor preparation by homeowners and even more so, poor collection
 practices that mix the colors and make the glass pretty much
unusable
 by the local glass plant.  Recycling glass into aggregate saves
the
 relatively small amount of energy it takes to crush and size rock
into
 aggregate.  Recycling the glass back into glass bottles would
save
 significant energy due to the lower melting point of glass when
 compared to sand.  Refilling the bottles would save even more
energy.
 If you are only looking at keeping things out of the landfill
though,
 you miss out on the energy and greenhouse gas savings that comes
with
 refilling or recycling glass as opposed to using it as
aggregate.
 
 Again, cheap landfilling may lead to reduced recycling, but it is
the
 increase thereby caused in energy needs and environmental damage
from
 harvesting and processing virgin materials which is important, not
the
 damage caused directly by the material in the landfill.
 
 By the way, I did not see Neils' post that referred to aluminum
cans.
 Can you point me to it?
 
 Peter Spendelow
 Oregon Department of Environmental Quality
 
 On Oct 27, 7:09 am, Neil Seldman <nseld...@no.address> wrote:
 > John, I really do not understand what you mean. Subsidized
 > incineration and low cost landfill are a major part of the
problem.
 > Not the entire set of problems we face but a critical one
nonetheless.
 >
 > In my response I posed the example of aluminum cans and
recycling.
 > You choose not to address it. So provide us with some examples
of
 > what you are talking about.
 >
 > Here is an example of why focusing on end of stream is as
important
 > as upstream focus:
 >
 > I understand that at a recent WI DNR meeting, a staff
recommendation
 > was ignored and the DNR voted to dramatically weaken the
existing
 > landfill rules by permitting extra leachate lines. This decreases
the
 > cost of landfill in your state by 25%, undercutting market based
and
 > regulatory efforts to increase recycling, reuse and redesign.
With
 > landfill disposal so cheap how will the state move forward 
with
 > sustainable discard management? ILSR and many other groups have
been
 > working on upstream issues for years. But we cannot ignore the
easy
 > access to material destruction by incineration and landfill.
These
 > issues are a necessary complement to upstream work. Nor can we
ignore
 > upstream strategies that do not get to zero waste, e.g, returning
all
 > computers to OEMs which precludes refurbishing and local
economic
 > development. The environmental, economic and community benefits
of
 > reuse over recycling are staggering.
 >
 > ILSR has been a primary, sometimes sole, organization calling
for
 > refillables and reusables and product redesign. At the same time
we
 > help communities fight incinerators and landfills. Other groups
take
 > on other key aspects like haz waste, medical waste, mining
subsidies,
 > etc. Isn't it clear that a multi-pronged strategy is needed?
 >
 > Please provide examples of what point you are trying to
emphasize.
 >
 > Neil
 
 
 
 
 
 
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