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[GreenYes] Re: Most important recycling legislation in 135 years!! Congress Votes on General Mining Act of 1872

Title: [GreenYes] Re: Most important recycling legislation in 135 years!! Congress Votes on General Mining Act of 1872

Hello Mr/Ms Ingrethron:

What business does retroworks do that would lead you to say landfills 
don't compete with recycling, and that they may even be recyclers' 
clients under some scenario that you envision?

I am in the reuse and recycling business and used to be in the 
composting business, and throughout my long career in the materials 
recovery industry I have gone to work everyday knowing that my 
business is competing with area landfills in all the ways that matter 
to customers:  convenience, cost, products, and service quality.

The service, of course, is the service of disposal.  We recyclers 
compete with landfills for the supply of discards.  We also compete 
for disposal service fees.  This competition is woven into all of our 
everyday activities, especially pricing.  You would deny this?

I've tried to imagine a scenario in which a landfill could be a 
client of "recyclers," and the only one I can envision is the one now 
playing throughout California where it's OK for "recyclers" to 
deliberately manufacture extremely contaminated Alternative Daily 
Cover out of otherwise refined and separated resource streams, then 
bury it in the landfill and claim its tonnage as recycling credit for 
purposes of complying with the state's goal of 50% "diversion" goal.  
This is an obviously corrupt and fraudulent practice, but as of right 
now it is perfectly legal.  I guess the market is now such that dirty 
mrf companies that make ADC are selling it, but I suppose even giving 
it away might qualify as setting up a "client" relationship with a 

Is continuing the ADC loophole  what you are advocating in your 
"client" scenario?

I say:  let's "close the loop" allright, and while we're at it let's 
close the loopholes that let fraudulent forms of recycling 
proliferate and pollute.

Dan Knapp
Urban Ore, Inc.
A Berkeley reuse and recycling business since 1980.

On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:25 AM, retroworks wrote:

> I have often said landfills are not recycling's competitors.  They are
> potential clients.  Whether we collect, waste paper, scrap computers,
> steel cans, iron, or glass, we sell in competition against virgin
> materials, period.   In the USA, the price of mining and forestry has
> been defined by two pieces of legislation - Superfund (which is
> enforced against secondary smelters but not against mines) and the GMA
> of 1872.
> The General Mining Act was signed by Ulysess Grant during the Apache
> Indian Wars to spur development of federal lands in the west.  It
> offers mining and timber companies a lease of $5 per acre.  All the
> minerals and royalties belong to the mining company, the mine tailings
> and waste remain the property of the taxpayer.  The $5 remains the
> price today.
> Finally our friends at and others have gotten
> movement on the issue, and Congress will be debating this raw material
> subsidy this week.
> See USA Today Article from Monday Oct 1
> Robin Ingenthron
> >

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