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Re: [greenyes] Sticker Shock

Isn't CT just another phrase for 'NOT taking responsibility for your own
Is it OK for me to change the oil in my car and dump the oil into a local
creek if I buy one of these bumper stickers?
No one needs to be driving a Hummer on city streets. Lets be real, gas
guzzlers harm the environment needlessly.
And, none of these discussions include the added cost of using three times
as much steel to make the hulk in the first place. Or the added wear on the
roadways, or the problems they cause in parking lots where they rarely fit
into one space, OR ... [enough - if I don't quit now, I'll be knocked off my
soapbox, and someone will try to wash my mouth out instead].

Richard Gertman
Environmental Planning Consultants
A Green Business
1885 The Alameda, Suite 120
San Jose, CA 95126-1732

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Lombardi" <eric@no.address>
To: "'Jenny Gitlitz'" <jenny.gitlitz@no.address>; "'greenyes'"
Cc: "'Peter Anderson'" <anderson@no.address>
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:09 PM
Subject: RE: [greenyes] Sticker Shock


That's what my first thought was ... it's just a carbon-trading (CT) scheme
for individuals, similar in many ways to allowing the dirty power plants to
keep on running. If it's good for them, why not us? Then again, some
people think carbon-trading isn't good. I guess I would say that CT is OK
only if it's used as a "bridge" that allows sunk investments to recovered
and requires a timeline for old tech to retire and new tech to come on-line.


Eric Lombardi
Executive Director
Eco-Cycle Inc

-----Original Message-----
From: Jenny Gitlitz [mailto:jenny.gitlitz@no.address]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:49 PM
To: greenyes
Cc: Peter Anderson
Subject: Re: [greenyes] Sticker Shock

How is this any different from other GHG market trading mechanisms? That it
targets the wallets of individual drivers instead of corporate power plant

Yes, it sounds ridiculous for Hummer owners to buy these stickers to appease
their guzzling guilt, but for many of us who are stuck driving 10-year old
cars because we can't afford the $22,000 sticker price of a Toyota
Prius--much as we'd like to buy one--this low-cost sticker program might be
one small way for us to encourage a few small-scale alternative energy

The question is, does the bumper sticker scheme somehow detract from
national efforts to raise CAFÉ standards or implement other broad
conservation policies?


Jennifer Gitlitz
Research Director, Container Recycling Institute

Home Office:
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Dalton, MA 01226
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Please note the new address for CRI¹s main office:
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1601 North Kent St., Suite 803
Arlington, VA 22209-2105
Tel. (703) 276-9800
Fax: (703) 276-9587

On 4/12/05 1:34 PM, Peter Anderson at anderson@no.address wrote:

> Honk If You Love Your SUV
> Pricey bumper stickers give the owners of gas-guzzlers licence to drive,
> while still being friendly to the environment
> Saturday, April 9, 2005 Page A15
> WASHINGTON -- The United States may have withdrawn from the Kyoto
> but a Pennsylvania company says Americans can still fight carbon dioxide
> emissions without leaving home -- by paying as much as $80 for a bumper
> sticker.
> Benven LLC, run by a team of University of Pennsylvania graduate students,
> boasts that its bumper stickers take the equivalent of 350 cars off the
> for a year. Its product, the TerraPass, allows drivers to counteract their
> gas-guzzling cars' emissions by paying for clean-energy projects. In
> exchange, vehicle owners get a clean conscience and a one-year pass for
> their bumper that identifies the vehicle as pollution-free.
> "If you think of the rest of Americans, they want to be nice to the
> environment. But they want a vehicle to get around in," said Tom Arnold,
> company's chief operating officer. "With TerraPass, you can keep driving
> car and still be responsible."
> The passes sell for $30 to $80, depending on how much gas the vehicle
> For instance, it would take $80 to offset a Hummer's annual emissions, Mr.
> Arnold said.
> TerraPass pools the sales and funds clean-energy projects, such as
> in California and cow-manure digesters to control methane emissions. The
> Philadelphia-based company said that to date, it has "erased" 1.8 million
> kilograms of carbon dioxide emissions.
> TerraPass also buys credits on the Chicago Climate Exchange, a market for
> trading greenhouse-gas-emissions credits. TerraPass buys and retires them,
> helping to cover the costs of energy projects.
> About 450,000 kilograms of carbon dioxide credits have been purchased so
> far -- nearly $1,200 worth, the company said. Mr. Arnold said the company
> has spent more than $7,000 on emission-reduction projects in total.
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