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"Millenialists - Political Armageddon" I am intrigued by this topic and I volunteer to do some more research. I'll report back to the group on what I discover. I think it is important to know what we might be up against and just how big of a movement or how widespread this philosophy might be. As a matter of fact, I will try to find someone with these beliefs and interview them. This should be fun! Dan Weisenbach http://www.recycledproducts.com/ ____________________________________________________________ On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:21:53 -0800, Steve Bloom wrote: > I just wanted to point out that my initial comment on this subject > (whence all the heat seems to have been generated) was specific to > Millenialists per se, who are most definitely a subset of > Christians. A response to my post was worded as if I had said > something about all Christians; I did not. I do believe, and will > state again, that Millennialism is an ideology that fundamentally > conflicts with environmentalism. The many environmentalist > Christians and Christian groups of which I'm aware are broadly > speaking not Millennialists, although I'm sure the occasional > exception exists. The Catholic Kenyan Nobel prize winner mentioned > is highly unlikely to be a Millennialist since Catholic theology > rejects it. If anybody on this list is aware of some vast > undercurrent of environmentalist Millennialists, I'd love to hear > about it. -- Steve Bloom > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alan Muller [mailto:amuller@no.address] >> At 07:56 AM 11/3/2004 -0600, you wrote: >>> As long as words like "cranks" are used to describe a massive >>> portion of the electorate who say they care about moral issues >>> more than economic or environmental ones, there will be no >>> progress. >>> There is, in fact, a burgeoning movement within Christian >>> evangelicals (see www.sojo.net) who care deeply about >>> environmental justice and who mounted a "too little, too late" >>> campaign to counter the single issue agenda that has once again >>> swept conservative "cranks" into power. >>> The concepts of "creation care" and environmental stewardship >>> are gaining ground with evangelicals and Catholics - and can be >>> the basis for shifting momentum away from the Armageddon crowd. >>> These concepts have to be perceived as important a moral issue >>> as stem cell research. >>> That will not happen, however, if current antagonistic >>> attitudes prevail. >>> Jenifer Lugar >>> >> Dear Jenifer: >> I am in no mood for debating anything this morning, but I suppose >> I own a response >> First, my reference to "cranks" was mainly a characterization of >> my own responses. But I apologize if you were offended. >> I know there is an "environmental stewardship" line of thought >> within various christian groups. I have very occasionally been >> invited to talk at a church by people with these interests. This >> line of thought, however much we like it, doesn't seem to >> resonate well with the fundamental tenets of most flavors of >> christianity--which seem to me to be based on aggression and >> claims of superiority over other ways of doing and being. So it >> should be encouraged but I don't know how much is realistically >> to be expected, at least in the short run. I hope you are right >> and it is "burgeoning." >> As I read the Grist piece it struck me that many people view >> "environmentalism" as a sort of perverted religion of its own. >> And one can claim that our concerns over global warming--for >> example--deserve to be rejected a just another End Time concern. >> We are the cranks. >> A couple of times a week I get emails from people I know and >> like, and who are concerned about cancer and pollution, >> circulating info about how "environmentalists" are trying to >> depopulate the planet of humans, turn the US government over to >> the United Nations, and suchlike. >> The bible-waving pols are not concerned with accommodation, or >> understanding, they are concerned about victory (over "us") Last >> night they won a very important battle, no? >> Alan >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Alan Muller [mailto:amuller@no.address] >>> At 03:54 PM 11/1/2004 -0600, Wolbert, Brad wrote: >>>> One source for the direction this thread has gone is probably >>>> the following article on the Grist webzine, which appeared >>>> last week: >>>> http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2004/10/27/scherer- >>>> christian/ >>>> as well as the recent, widely discussed article on the role >>>> of religion in Bush's presidency, which appeared in the New >>>> York Times Magazine. Having read both articles, I hesitate >>>> to dismiss the concern as blithely as Ken does. >>>> Brad >>> I feel I have awakened into a nightmare. That I have been >>> ignoring this stuff for years as the rantings of a few cranks, >>> while it fact these beliefs have worked their way into the >>> mainstream of American politics. >>> It's really terrifying, because one cannot counter superstition >>> with reasoned arguments....these people do not believe in an >>> orderly >>> relationship between cause and effect, or in the possibility >>> that other views may have equal validity to their own. >>> Alan Muller |
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