[GreenYes] Re: Gas

["JaxRecycles" <JaxRecycles@coj.net>]

This certainly has sparked a lively dialogue with many valid points to consider.  Awesome!
A few comments:

1.  I believe that - unfortunately - we may be more effective at 'voting' with our dollars than in actual elections. (Note that I am from Florida!)  I started to forward the email to friends and family, and then found my self commenting that, if the oil is not coming from the middle east, then it is probably coming from South American countries (with their own social, environmental, and petroleum-related problems), from offshore or other controversial domestic sources (Alaska!).  
Instead of lamenting over which country's unethical behaviors (including the USA's) to underwrite with your gasoline purchases, think about how some companies stand out in a more positive manner.  I believe that Shell/BP are making major investments in alternative energy research.  Others may be as well.   I DO remember reading that Mobile has been heavily lobbying politicians to oppose things like Kyoto protocol and other mandates for higher fuel efficiency and more pollution control.

2.  Those of us in the south who enjoy warm weather year-round have little excuse for not walking or biking as much as we should... except maybe for suburban sprawl.  Public transportation could be better, but you could also be more patient and read/write during bus rides, etc.  Ideally, as a trend, living where public transit is accessible might also help to curb suburban sprawl and urban blight.  

3.  Last but not least: we MUST acknowledge OUR role in the problem in order to successfully deal with it.  (I've written an entire thesis based on our schizophrenic relationship with the environment!)  
Though we have generally been able to insulate ourselves from the worst social and environmental pathologies related to the production, transportation and consumption of petroleum products, September 11, 2001 should have been another major wake-up call.  

You reap what you sow, so you'd better care about what you sow and how you sow it... it's not just somebody else's problem, nor is it just happening somewhere else!

Kudos to those who walk or bike from place to place, but do you know who made your shoes?  Our problems a rooted a lot deeper than just oil.

Sincerely,
Andy Fairbanks

Andrew D. Fairbanks
Solid Waste and Resource Management
140 West Monroe Street, Suite 200
Jacksonville, Florida 32202-3713
(904) 630-4185, extension 233
fax: (904) 630-4191

>>> Bob and Camille Armantrout <bobandcamille@yahoo.com> 10/03/02 02:02PM >>>
I started looking into this and read that:
"Phillips and its co-venturers -- ExxonMobil (operator), Shell and BP
-- are negotiating terms with the Saudi government."
http://www.phillips66.com/locations/saudiarabia.htm 

And that Conoco merged with Phillips in August of 2002:
http://www.conocophillips.com/news/nr/083002_complete.asp 

That moves Conoco and Phillips into the first category, below, with the
other major companies that import (or will be importing) Middle Eastern
oil.
Camille Armantrout
Maui Recycling Service

Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil (for the period 9/1/00 
- -8/31/01). 

Shell................ 205,742,000 barrels 
Chevron/Texaco....... 144,332,000 barrels 
Exxon /Mobil......... 130,082,000 barrels 
Marathon............. 117,740,000 barrels 
Amoco................ 62,231,000 barrels 

Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: 

Citgo 0 barrels 
Sunoco 0 barrels 
Conoco 0 barrels 
Sinclair 0 barrels 
BP/Phillips 0 barrels 
Hess 0 barrels 

All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and 
can be easily documented. Refineries located in the U.S. are required
to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing. They
report on a monthly basis. 
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