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Title: [GreenYes] Re: CAW shilling y?

Hi Brad:

Mary Lou from Urban Ore is working separately on a response.

I only have a little time this morning to reply, so thought I would 
give it a shot, too.

Rick's table is a translation of composition study data from the LA 
area at one point in time.  Its usefulness is in giving an overall 
idea of  tonnages for nearly all of the municipal supply of discards 
expressed as a set of twelve commodity types, and multiplying them 
through by estimated market prices to derive the value of what is 
being lost through wasteful processes currently in vogue.

In the fine print of the table there is a sort of "other" category 
that I would quibble with.  Diapers are clearly putrescibles with an 
entrained plastic film, and I would classify treated lumber as at 
least potentially reusable and if not, as a scrap category to be 
disposed of with chemicals in a regulated materials area.  I don't 
know what "mistakes" are.

You're right that "reuse" is a process, but it's also an industry.  
Urban Ore has helped build the reuse industry over the last twenty-
eight years.  I have no idea why the table estimates reusable goods 
at only 2% of the supply.  My guess:  engineers doing composition 
studies don't recognize reuse items because they don't run reuse 
facilities.  Or maybe they just looked at packer trucks from 
residential areas.  I usually place the "floor" number for reusables 
at about 5%.

In any event, the reuse number is a flexible number, and will expand 
upward as handling infrastructure expands.  Take cabinets as an 
example.  If I'm running a C & D facility that takes C & D for a 
price by the cubic yard, then the hauler will smash the cabinets to 
minimize his tip fee.  The reuse value will be destroyed completely.  
If I'm running a reuse facility that pays out cash or trade credit 
for those same cabinets, the hauler will take care to deliver them to 
me intact, even though they are bulkier, because (s)he both saves the 
per-yard fee at the competing C & D place and (s)he gets cash from 
me, the reuser.

That's why, over Urban Ore's 28 year history, our sales keep rising 
incrementally each year.   The supply of reusables is elastic.  As we 
become more capable of handling reuseable goods, the supply expands.

Reuse draws from all eleven of the recycling categories.  If I'm 
running a plant debris compost facility, I will get some live plants 
in pots.  I can dump them out and compost them, or I can sell them as 
plants.  I can make more money if I sell them as plants.  I can sell 
the pots as pots, too.  I might also get logs or tree stumps that 
could be turned into lumber or slabs for furniture.  Same withe 
metal, glass, just about any other the other categories.  There will 
always be a reuse component, whether it is recognized or developed or 
not, and whether or not it is ever turned into income.

I hope this helps.

Dan Knapp
Urban Ore, Inc. , a reuse and recycling company in Berkeley, 
California, since 1980
On Aug 8, 2008, at 9:03 PM, Brad Guy wrote:

>
> Hello Ric Anthony,
> Could you clarify this chart.. "Reuse" is a process and all the 
> other lines are materials types.. the "Reuse" is 2.0% of total 
> therefore does it exlcude all the materials types listed ? does 
> this mean there is no reuse for any of them only recycle?  and if 
> so then what are the Reuse materials types?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
> Brad Guy
> Ph.D. Program
> School of Architecture
> Carnegie Mellon University
> Cell: 814-571-8659
>
> The 2009 Building Materials Reuse Association International 
> Deconstruction and Reuse Conference will be held in Chicago, IL, 
> April 27-29, 2009. Check www.buildingreuse.org for monthly updates 
> including the call for presentations.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 8/8/08, RicAnthony@no.address <RicAnthony@no.address> wrote:
>
>> From: RicAnthony@no.address <RicAnthony@no.address>
>> Subject: [GreenYes] CAW shilling y?
>> To: RicAnthony@no.address, hspie@no.address, 
>> GreenYes@no.address, zwia@no.address
>> Cc: gary@no.address, RAbbe@no.address, nseldman@no.address
>> Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 2:23 PM
>> I am sorry, i need a better proof reader than  me..
>> It is estimated that there is at least 100 million  dollars
>> in lost revenue
>> in LA annually.
>> This is using a 100% capture rate, but relatively low
>> rates for paper ($20)
>> and metal ($40)
>>
>>
>> Los Angeles
>>
>>
>> Categories
>> %
>> Annual  Tons
>> $/ton
>> $
>> 1.     Reuse
>> 2.0
>> 72,000
>> 550
>> 39,600,000
>> 2.     Paper
>> 22.0
>> 792,000
>> 20
>> 15,840,000
>> 3.     Plant  Debris
>> 5.5
>> 198,000
>> 7
>> 1,386,000
>> 4.     Putrescibles
>> 17.0
>> 612,000
>> 7
>> 4,284,000
>> 5.     Wood
>> 4.0
>> 144,000
>> 8
>> 1,152,000
>> 6.     Ceramics
>> 13.0
>> 468,000
>> 4
>> 1,872,000
>> 7.     Soils
>> 10.0
>> 360,000
>> 7
>> 2,520,000
>> 8.     Metals
>> 4.0
>> 144,000
>> 40
>> 5,760,000
>> 9.     Glass
>> 2.0
>> 72,000
>> 10
>> 720,000
>> 10.     Polymers
>> 8.0
>> 288,000
>> 100
>> 28,800,000
>> 11.     Textiles
>> 2.0
>> 72,000
>> 200
>> 14,400,000
>> 12.     Chemicals
>> 0.5
>> 18,000
>> 15
>> 270,000
>> No market  e.g. diapers, treated wood,  mistakes
>> 10.0
>> 360,000
>>
>> 0
>> Total
>> 100
>> 3,600,000
>>
>> $116,604,000
>>
>> _Ricanthony@no.address (mailto:Ricanthony@no.address)
>> RichardAnthonyAssociates.com
>> San  Diego, California
>>
>>
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