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This issue needs to come back to the legislature in January. My
recollection is that LA San killed the last attempt to correct this fraud, as
Dr. K has so aptly described it.
Jon:
Thanks for the constructive addition to the argument. Thanks also
to Steve Lautze.
I agree with you completely except for the "artificial" appelation you
give to the low price of ADC compared to compost.
To see why, it helps to know how ADC is manufactured and used. Any
untipped construction materials debris box will have some material in it that
is ADC size, and some will have more than others. But the amount of ADC
increases greatly and quite deliberately in after-tip handling steps at many C
& D processing facilities. The problem has many causes, but two
stand out in this context: lack of mandated labor-intensive salvaging at
the first tip, and subsequent rough handling in further steps all designed to
fit extremely bulky materials onto fast moving picking line belts about six
feet wide. The ADC residue from all this upstream smashing and bashing
and crushing collects under a grizzly that is step one of the "recycling"
process. Being highly automated and equipment-intensive, making ADC
is relatively cheap process, and there is no further care required. Just
haul it and spread it.
Clean composting requires many more steps: close attention to
front-end contaminant removal, grinding or chipping, windrowing,
turning, watering, monitoring, screening, blending, and marketing.
Composting produces sales tax revenue. ADC's only product is the
landfill, and copius methane/CO2. No sales taxes for that,
yet.
There is no other market for this material. Its only possible
destiny is the landfill. And its mostly organic.
Dan Knapp
On Oct 24, 2007, at 2:01 PM, J. Michael Huls wrote:
Dan,
Your
missive raises many valid points, but also ADC has unfairly competed
with appropriate recycling by being offered at artifically cheap
prices. Often, many landfills will accept ADC at about half the
regular dump rate. This has distorted the marketplace for organics,
and in fact severely damaged composting markets which cannot necessarily
compete at such low processing costs.
J. Michael Huls,
REA
Huls Environmental
Management, LLC
P.O. Box
4519
Covina, CA
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(626) 332-7514 ext 26
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Gil:
As a
reuse recycler in business for 27 years, I agree with Eric Lombardi and
would like to add a poignant postscript from California.
Since
1994 California has allowed what is in fact a landfilling practice to get
recycling credit as "diversion from landfilling." I refer to the
commodity known as Alternative Daily Cover, now widely used as a substitute
for soil in building the landfill baklava. In chemical composition,
ADC is largely "organic" in the sense that the bulk of its mass is
carbon-based substances such as wood, fiber, paper bits, plant debris, and
the like. ADC is also highly mineralized with crushed stone, soil,
dust, plaster, drywall, paint fragments, pharmaceuticals, glass bits.
ADC's small particle size and embodied moisture mean it starts turning into
methane as soon as it is buried the day after it is used to cover the
garbage. Most of ADC's methane escapes from its shallow
grave.
So ADC is not diversion from
landfilling at all, it is
landfilling. A landfill
operator admitted as much at the October 10 Compost Summit meeting in
Sacramento when, as the sole defender of ADC in a room full of clean compost
operators, he said "If I cover the garbage with 6 inches of soil, it stays 6
inches even after it is buried. But if I use 12 inches of ADC to cover
the garbage, it reduces after burial to less than 6 inches, so ADC saves
space."
The missing mass is largely
the escaped methane, along with water vapor and CO2 plus lots of other
VOCs.
Many
observers are now agreeing that the California ADC scam amounts to a massive
consumer fraud. I do not use the term "massive" lightly. In 2006
the amount of ADC landfilled was 8.4 million cubic yards, or 2.6 million
tons. (Source: "Organics Summit: Background Discussion
Paper" California Integrated Waste Management Board, Oct. 10,
2007) I leave it to you guys to figure out how much CO2 and methane
this volume translates into. I do know that it's now a truism in our
field to say that "landfills are the largest anthropogenic sources of
greenhouse gases."
So you
folks doing your emissions trading workshops should be warning your
attendees about these kinds of fraudulent activities. Unfortunately,
the solid waste management field is full of this kind of mind and material
pollution right now. Maybe you need a real recycler as part of your
team. I nominate Eric.
Dan
Knapp
Urban
Ore, Inc.
A reuse
and recycling company in Berkeley since 1980
On Oct
24, 2007, at 11:18 AM, Eric Lombardi wrote:
Gil,
Re: your
“Carbon
Trading and Offsets” webinar, (which
is fantastic!!) I wanted
you to be aware that the GrassRoots Recycling Network (www.grrn.org)
launched a new national education campaign at the NRC in
Denver last
month called “Garbage is NOT Renewable Energy”. I have
attached our one page handout, and there is more about the campaign on the
GRRN website athttp://www.grrn.org/landfill/notrenewableenergy/index.html.
Our goal
is to help people understand that garbage-based energy is not green
energy, and that when folks buy carbon offsets, they can do it right and
they can do it wrong since tax breaks and “green energy” designation has
been given to the wrong technologies (bury/burn). We have done
our research and found many options for purchasing carbon offsets that
DON’T support the incinerator or landfill industries. For
those that say landfill methane capture should be incentivized and
rewarded, we say bullshit, methane generation in landfills needs to
beeliminated and that
capture systems should be required and added to the cost of doing
business.
Since
this campaign of ours is new, we are open to questions, criticisms, etc…
but especially helpful SUGGESTIONS on how we can get the word out that not
all carbon offset programs are the same! Let’s all support
truly green energy paths, and not this crazy world of garbage-based energy
sources.
Thank you
all,
Eric
Eric
Lombardi
Executive
Director
Eco-Cycle
Inc
President
GrassRoots
Recycling Network
303-444-6634
www.ecocycle.org
"If
you're not for Zero Waste, how much waste are you for?" ECO-CYCLE -
join us, support us, celebrate life! Click www.ecocycle.org to join
and donate for the next big idea.
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