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Right. But it is a good solution till other (better) solutions are put in place. It's an option for those who want to do the right thing and are willing to pay for it. For people that would figure the cost of this program into the savings by using the bulbs...It's not a big deal... Perhaps the impact of shipping the product back is the same as driving to the HHW collection. Stephen N. Weisser, Sales Manager GreenLine Paper Company, Inc. 631 S. Pine Street York, PA 17403 717-845-8697 1-800-641-1117 stevew@no.address www.greenlinepaper.com Close the loop: recycling works when we buy recycled. -----Original Message----- From: GreenYes@no.address [mailto:GreenYes@no.address] On Behalf Of Doug Koplow Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:25 AM To: bsteinberg@no.address Cc: GreenYes@no.address Subject: [GreenYes] Re: Compact fluorescent bulb deposits But this means that the cost to recycle the bulbs is quite a significant portion of the cost to buy them. During sales events at Home Depot, the smaller CFLs can sell for around $1.50 each. And the direct cost is in addition to the various environmental impacts of packaging and shipping small quantities of product via common carrier. To me, this doesn't seem like a viable solution for a market that is to be measured in the tens of millions of units. Furthermore, if you really want to deal with the mercury, the incentive to recover the bulbs has to be built into its pricing and/or distribution structure -- not an optional add-on service that only a small portion of the consumer base will partake in. _______________________________ Doug Koplow Earth Track, Inc. 2067 Massachusetts Avenue - 4th Floor Cambridge, MA 02140 www.earthtrack.net Tel: 617/661-4700 Fax: 617/354-0463 CONFIDENTIAL This message, and all attachments thereto, is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. >>> "Bruce Steinberg" <bsteinberg@no.address> 02/19/07 10:26 AM >>> >>> We at RecycleFirst are now offering the CONSUMER CFL RECYCLING KIT, https://www.buyrecycledfirst.com/ProductDetails.aspx?PId=307679 Product Description This 6"x6"x6" kit can hold up to 12 small compact fluorescent lamps and 6-8 medium to large compact fluorescent lamps. Price includes the container, liner, liner tie, instructions, terms and conditions, outbound and return shipping and processing. Shipped via USPS outbound and FedEx Ground on return. Not available in Alaska, Hawaii or Puerto Rico Product Code : RF123 SKU Number : RF123 Manufacturer : Veolia ES Technical Solutions, L.L.C Price : $15.00 This is a great way if people want to pay to have the bulbs properly disposed of. If any one is interested I would be happy to send more information. Bruce RecycleFirst 100 Main St., Ste 210 Dover, NH 03820 603-516-3713 F 603-516-7333 Contract GS-02F-0158N -----Original Message----- From: GreenYes@no.address [mailto:GreenYes@no.address] On Behalf Of Doug Koplow Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 12:24 AM To: Reindl@no.address; GreenYes@no.address Subject: [GreenYes] Compact fluorescent bulb deposits The price of compact fluorescents has fallen dramatically over the past few years as more of the technology has matured and production has shifted to China. This would seem to open the way for instituting a deposit per bulb of $0.50 - $1.00 without affecting sales that much. Is there discussion of this approach to controlling disposal? _______________________________ Doug Koplow Earth Track, Inc. 2067 Massachusetts Avenue - 4th Floor Cambridge, MA 02140 www.earthtrack.net Tel: 617/661-4700 Fax: 617/354-0463 CONFIDENTIAL This message, and all attachments thereto, is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. >>> "Reindl, John" <Reindl@no.address> 02/16/07 14:40 PM >>> FYI; a good way to get toxics out of the waste stream... -----Original Message----- From: Hg-Info@no.address [mailto:Hg-Info@no.address]On Behalf Of mercurypolicy@no.address Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 5:04 AM To: mwg-mercury@no.address; Hg-Info@no.address "General Electric has been making compact fluorescents for 20 years. Now the company admits that the little bit of mercury in each bulbs could become a real problem if sales balloon as expected. "Given what we anticipate to be the significant increase in the use of these products, we are now beginning to look at, and shortly we'll be discussing with legislators, possibly a national solution here," says Earl Jones, a senior counsel for General Electric. In fact, Jones said he was having his first talks with congressional staffers on Thursday." See complete story below. Michael National Public Radio Environment CFL Bulbs Have One Hitch: Toxic Mercury Listen to this story... <http://download.npr.org/anon.npr-www/chrome/icon_listen.gif> by Elizabeth <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4566209> Shogren CFL bulb <http://media.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2007/feb/cfl/cflstandard.jpg> iStockphoto.com Tips & Advice * <http://www.gelighting.com/na/home_lighting/ask_us/faq_compact.htm#mercury> General Electric: FAQs on Mercury & Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs * <http://www.nema.org/lamprecycle/epafactsheet-cfl.pdf> Fact Sheet: Mercury in CFL Bulbs(Requires <http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html> Adobe Acrobat) * <http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/promotions/change_light/downloads/Fac t_Sheet_Mercury.pdf> Energy Star: FAQs on Disposing of CFL Bulbs(Requires <http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html> Adobe Acrobat) In Depth <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7431198#7282810> Scroll down to read advice from the EPA and Energy Department on what to look for in a CFL - and get a home energy calculator. <http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=2> All Things Considered, February 15, 2007 * The Environmental Protection Agency and some large business, including Wal-Mart, are aggressively promoting the sale of compact fluorescent light bulbs as a way to save energy and fight global warming. They want Americans to buy many millions of them over the coming years. But the bulbs contain small amounts of mercury, a neurotoxin, and the companies and federal government haven't come up with effective ways to get Americans to recycle them. "The problem with the bulbs is that they'll break before they get to the landfill. They'll break in containers, or they'll break in a dumpster or they'll break in the trucks. Workers may be exposed to very high levels of mercury when that happens," says John Skinner, executive director of the Solid Waste Association of North America, the trade group for the people who handle trash and recycling. Skinner says when bulbs break near homes, they can contaminate the soil. Mercury is a potent neurotoxin, and it's especially dangerous for children and fetuses. Most exposure to mercury comes from eating fish contaminated with mercury, Some states, cities and counties have outlawed putting CFL bulbs in the trash, but in most state the practice is legal. Pete Keller works for Eco Lights Northwest, the only company in Washington State that recycles fluorescent lamps. He says it is illegal to put the bulbs in the trash in some counties in Washington, but most people still throw them out. "I think most people do want to recycle, but if it's not made easy, it doesn't happen," Keller says. "And they're small enough to fit in a trash can. So by nature, I think most people are not recyclers. So if it's small enough to fit in a trash can, that's where it ends up." Experts agree that it's not easy for most people to recycle these bulbs. Even cities that have curbside recycling won't take the bulbs. So people have to take them to a hazardous-waste collection day or a special facility. The head of the Environmental Protection Agency program concedes that not enough has been done to urge people to recycle CFL bulbs and make it easier for them to do so. "I share your frustration that there isn't a national infrastructure for the proper recycling of this product," says Wendy Reed, who manages EPA's Energy Star program. That programs gives the compact bulbs its "energy star" seal of approval. She says that even though fluorescent bulbs contain mercury, using them contributes less mercury to the environment than using regular incandescent bulbs. That's because they use less electricity - and coal-fired power plants are the biggest source of mercury emissions in the air. "The compact fluorescent light bulb is a product people can use to positively influence the environment to. prevent mercury emissions as well as greenhouse gas emissions. And it's something that we can do now - and it's extremely important that we do do it," Reed says. "And the positive message is, if you recycle them, if you dispose of them properly, then they're doing a world of good." Reed says the agency has been urging stores that sell the bulbs to help recycle them. "EPA is actively engaged with trying to find a solution that works for these retailers around recycling the product, because it's really, really important," Reed says. But so far, she says the biggest sellers of the bulbs haven't stepped up to the plate. "The only retailer that I know of that is recycling is IKEA," she says, referring to the Swedish-owned furniture chain store. Reed says the EPA has been prodding other retailers, such as Wal-Mart, to do more. "We are working with Wal-Mart on it, we are making some progress. But no commitments have been made on the part of Wal-Mart," she says. Wal-Mart didn't respond to requests for a comment on the issue. EPA also has asked retailers to sell the lower mercury compact bulbs that some manufacturers are making. Engineers say you can't cut mercury out completely. Some other big companies have started paying attention to the recycling problem. General Electric has been making compact fluorescents for 20 years. Now the company admits that the little bit of mercury in each bulbs could become a real problem if sales balloon as expected. "Given what we anticipate to be the significant increase in the use of these products, we are now beginning to look at, and shortly we'll be discussing with legislators, possibly a national solution here," says Earl Jones, a senior counsel for General Electric. In fact, Jones said he was having his first talks with congressional staffers on Thursday. Why Use a CFL? <http://www.npr.org/> NPR.org, February 8, 2007 * According to the federal government, if every American home replaced just one light bulb with an Energy Star approved compact fluorescent bulb (CFL), the United States would save enough energy to light more than 2.5 million homes for a year and prevent greenhouse gases equivalent to the emissions of nearly 800,000 cars. Energy Star is a joint project with the Environmental Protection Agency and the Department of Energy that promotes energy efficient - and thus climate-friendly - products. But not all CFLs are created equal. Here, some tips from Energy Star about what to look for and where to use a CFL: The Benefits - Energy Star qualified CFLs use at least two-thirds less energy than standard incandescent bulbs and last up to 10 times longer (average lifespan of a CFL is five years). - CFLs save $30 or more in energy costs over each bulb's lifetime. - CFLs generate 70 percent less heat, making them safer to operate. Where to Use - To get the most energy savings, replace bulbs where lights are on the most, such as the family and living rooms, kitchen, dining room and porch. - Install them in hard to reach fixtures, like ceiling fans. - Make sure the CFL matches the right fixture by reading any restrictions on the package. Some CFLs work with dimmers, others are specially made for recessed or enclosed fixtures. Myths - CFLs have a harsh, cold light quality. Increasingly, this is less of an issue. Over the past few years, manufacturers have worked to provide a warmer color. Some people say they still notice a difference, but the gap is narrowing. For a warmer, white light, look for a color temperature of 2,700-3,000K on the package. - CFLs aren't for bathrooms. Not necessarily. CFLs can work in bathrooms, but humidity may shorten the bulb's life. - CFLs can't be used in older houses. In fact, CFLs may work better than incandescent bulbs in houses with older wiring; CFLs generate less heat and draw less electrical current. 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