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[GreenYes] Re: Waste Not Asia Denounces Hazardous Technologies & Misuse of CDM

I love your last sentence about "virgin material harvest costs" not being correct.   Many of us believe that the market is not pricing environmental elements "honestly", but few of us speak of it in our speeches or policy discussions.  That must change, and an important first part of changing how people see the world is to change how they speak of it. 

I will be speaking at the USCC national composting conference in Orlando next week, and I for one will be using phrases like "Let's create an honest economic comparison between virgin material harvest costs and secondary material recovery costs."  If we can get our public policy leaders to understand that sentiment, then we need to put numbers to it ... and this is where our economists can give us the ammo we need... Peter Anderson, Jeff Morris, and you Robin?  (BTW... GreenYes requires that you identify yourself in postings, thanks.)

Eric Lombardi

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From: "retroworks" <ingenthron@no.address>
Sent 1/19/2007 5:33:42 AM
To: "GreenYes" <GreenYes@no.address>
Subject: [GreenYes] Re: Waste Not Asia Denounces Hazardous Technologies & Misuse of CDM

Hi Gopal,

This is all well and good, but this area of Asia should in particular
look at the entire lifecycle. Malaysia and Indonesia (Borneo, PNG) are
where the mining and forestry is taking place. Since I got into
recycling in 1977 (before Mobro) I have always found the general public
more excited by the idea of saving trees than by the idea of making
landfills lighter.

I'm not 100% certain that removing lead from solder in RoHS is
increasing tin mining and silver/ag mining in coral reefs on these
coasts, but I haven't ever heard anything to allay my concerns. When I
see this many environmentalists at a conference in Asia focused on
end-of-pipe and "zero waste" measures, I get kind of depressed. Is
there a similar Asian congress focused on demand-side issues?

A year ago a Chinese primary lead/zinc metal smelter dumped tons of
toxics into the Pearl River. I barely saw any coverage. It just seems
like the primary forestry and mining industries are the elephant in the
room, and everyone is focused on incineration, which wouldn't be a
problem if virgin material harvests bore a smidgen of their true costs.

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