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Just playing with you dude. didn't you see my little smiley face on the email? I know what you do, and greatly respect it. Now, don't interpret my comments below as anything negative on you, just me taking an opening to respond to the ideas you presented. (email can be such a cold medium. so I'm hugging you as I write.) However, there are many roles to be played in defense of life on Earth, and the evolution of technology is just one key activity. In fact, I am a techie and got my Masters from Washington University in Technology and Human Affairs where we learned how to do such things as "technology assessment" and "engineering economics" and "cost/benefit analysis". But there is another side to technology than just evolution and forward movement . there is a dark side ("devolution"?) where where wrong turns were made somewhere along the road and corrective action is needed. And one of the roles I have chosen to play in the world is to confront bad technologies and systems (according to my scales of judgement, what else do I have?) and work to shut em down, or at a minimum get them to morph into something better. My work is a very "activist" path now because after spending years reading and researching and analyzing and discussing options I've decided that the world KNOWS ENOUGH to start taking action against the destructive forces in play all around us, and actions for the solutions in energy, waste, justice, health, etc etc that have been clearly written about by many smart people over the last 20 years. Not all the answers have been revealed, but most of the important ones have been and it is now time to stop the talking and start the changing. or as David Korten just called it in his new book, "The Great Turning" has begun. So, through that lens, I'll say it again. the Wasting Economy just won another one over the Zero Waste Economy, and a very large corporation named Waste Management Inc. is happy with that development, which means a lot of smaller corporations, like Eco-Cycle, are not. There is work to be done in the streets, and that's why we're there. Eric Eric Lombardi Executive Director/CEO Eco-Cycle Inc Boulder, CO. USA 303-444-6634 www.ecocycle.org -----Original Message----- From: GreenYes@no.address [mailto:GreenYes@no.address] On Behalf Of Reindl, John Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:03 AM To: Eric Lombardi; GreenYes@no.address Subject: [GreenYes] Re: Wisconsin requires plans to shorten time for organic stability at landfills Hi Eric ~ How could I "let this happen"? First, it was already being done. Second, I don't have the power to stop the use of particular technologies, even if I wanted to. But most important, the goal of my work is to reduce overall environmental impact -- not to stop things from going to landfills or any particular technology -- and I strongly believe in a comprehensive approach to the evaluation and valuation of environmental impacts. I don't believe that society is served by inhibiting the development of alternatives. I think that new alternatives need to be developed, explored and assessed. John -----Original Message----- From: Eric Lombardi [mailto:eric@no.address] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:07 PM To: Reindl, John; GreenYes@no.address Subject: RE: [GreenYes] Wisconsin requires plans to shorten time for organic stability at landfills Score a big win for Waste Management and the technology called "bioreactors". In my opinion, this development will result in a nearly-official endorsement of bioreactors for all the material that isn't "diverted". The other option, "pretreatment", which I support using the anaerobic digestion technology, won't stand a financial chance as long as bioreactors-on-the-cheap are allowed to be built. John, how could you let this happen? :-) Eric Eric Lombardi Executive Director/CEO Eco-Cycle Inc Boulder, CO. USA 303-444-6634 www.ecocycle.org -----Original Message----- From: GreenYes@no.address [mailto:GreenYes@no.address] On Behalf Of Reindl, John Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:08 PM To: GreenYes@no.address Subject: [GreenYes] Wisconsin requires plans to shorten time for organic stability at landfills For your information As of January 1st, Wisconsin now requires that landfill owners/operators develop plans and implement systems to shorten the time for the degradation of organics in landfills as a method to reduce long term environmental and financial impacts. "Organics" goes beyond food, and includes items such as wood, yard materials, paper, textiles, and other materials. Under the new requirement, "The plan of operation for all new and expanded municipal solid waste landfills submitted to the department after January 1, 2007 shall include a plan for significantly reducing the amount of degradable organic material remaining after site closing in order to materially reduce the amount of time the landfill will take to achieve landfill organic stability." While the state does not specify how organic stability is to be achieved, three broad categories are: 1. Diversion 2. Pretreatment 3. Treatment within the landfill and a table of some alternatives and their status, pros and cons is provided. The following is the issue statement of the basis for this action and a web page is provided at http://dnr.wi.gov/org/aw/wm/solid/landfill/stability/index.htm. Issue Statement Current landfill designs and practices do not provide for degradation of landfilled organic wastes within a defined and reasonable timeframe. Undegraded organic wastes can potentially cause future environmental or economic impacts if the landfill gas and leachate collection and containment systems (cap and/or liner) fail at some time in the future. Potential economic burdens and environmental risks associated with these undegraded wastes will be largely borne by future generations. Better landfill designs and organic management practices should be identified and implemented to provide for organic waste degradation within a reasonable timeframe. "Reasonable timeframe" means within the lifetime of the people who generate the waste. "Economic burdens" means costs to manage gas and leachate, to maintain the slopes and cover, to perform environmental monitoring, and to control access. "Environmental risks" includes potential contamination of groundwater and surface water, air quality degradation, greenhouse gas impacts, explosive gas generation, and/or land instability. The rule and the guidance package was developed with the input of a workgroup consisting of representatives of the Wisconsin DNR, the solid waste industry, local government, the University of Wisconsin, and consultants. The minutes and other materials are included on the above web page. To the best of my knowledge, Wisconsin is the only state to have developed this requirement. John Reindl, Recycling Manager Dane County, WI --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "GreenYes" group. To post to this group, send email to GreenYes@no.address To unsubscribe from this group, send email to GreenYes-unsubscribe@no.address For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/GreenYes?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- |
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