[GreenYes] Re: 10 new messages in 5 topics - digest

[Neil Seldman <nseldman@no.address>]

HI All,

I too never saw the Penn and Teller interview. But others told me  
about it. Indeed they made themselves look pretty foolish.

I know one of them, the short one, and will tell him what a fool he  
made himself out to be. It was he, i was told,  who suckered me into  
doing the show. I suggest that whenever you meet either of them or  
have a chance to shout at them, tell them how stupid they are. Tell  
them that there is indeed a lot of humor in recycling, but they were  
too dumb, or lazy to use it. Better yet tell them that their show is  
not funny. They are very cynical however, do not expect to get the  
better of the argument. But when you tell a comic he is not funny it  
sticks with them for years. I know several  comics and they will  
verify this. Neil

On Nov 22, 2006, at 4:33 AM, GreenYes group wrote:

>
> GreenYes
> http://groups.google.com/group/GreenYes
>
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>
> Today's topics:
>
> * Buildings & cisterns made with PET bottles & tire rims - 4  
> messages, 2
> authors
>  http://groups.google.com/group/GreenYes/browse_thread/thread/ 
> 3a35968092101d16
> * MSW/Recycling Video - 2 messages, 2 authors
>  http://groups.google.com/group/GreenYes/browse_thread/thread/ 
> 3a94e36a5231a3dc
> * Private Recycling Collection, Public Processing examples? - 1  
> messages, 1
> author
>  http://groups.google.com/group/GreenYes/browse_thread/thread/ 
> ae10e3c227cff8a6
> * Atty Genl. Opinion of Exclusive Solid Waste Services - 1  
> messages, 1 author
>  http://groups.google.com/group/GreenYes/browse_thread/thread/ 
> c6256bf9b9cc96d
> * Penn and Teller Recycling is B*llsh*t - 2 messages, 1 author
>  http://groups.google.com/group/GreenYes/browse_thread/thread/ 
> 5f0751ecd6f936d6
>
> ====================================================================== 
> ========
> TOPIC: Buildings & cisterns made with PET bottles & tire rims
> http://groups.google.com/group/GreenYes/browse_thread/thread/ 
> 3a35968092101d16
> ====================================================================== 
> ========
>
> == 1 of 4 ==
> Date: Tues, Nov 21 2006 12:08  pm
> From: "Keith Ripley"
>
>
> Greenyesers might find interesting the experiments underway in
> Central America - and soon Colombia as well - in constructing
> cheap but attractive and durable homes, buildings, cisterns,
> kiosks and bus stops with scrap PET soda bottles and end-of-life
> vehicle tire rims, which I write about in my latest blog entry:
>
>
>
> http://www.temasactuales.com/temasblog/?p=94
>
>
>
> It's fascinating and innovative work to utilize wasted materials
> in constructing facilities that benefit primarily poor and
> marginal communities.  The work was recently recognized by the
> Central American Commission on Environment and Development (CCAD)
> with an environmental innovation award.
>
>
>
> In an upcoming entry I'll be looking at Argentine efforts to used
> recycled materials (paper, plastic) to build housing for the poor
> there.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> Keith E. Ripley
>
> Temas Actuales LLC
>
> e-mail: keith.ripley@no.address
>
>  <http://www.temasactuales.com/> http://www.temasactuales.com
>
>  <http://www.dr1.com/blogs/?u=environment> El Equipo Verde
>
>
>
> Author of the book "Solid Wastes and Recycling Policy in Latin
> America & the Caribbean"
>
>
> <http://www.temasactuales.com/temas_in_print/index_wastebookpromo
> .php>
> http://www.temasactuales.com/temas_in_print/index_wastebookpromo.
> php
>
>
>
> Environment & consumer policy news of Latin America & the
> Caribbean:
> <http://www.temasactuales.com/whats_new/index.php?page=1>
> http://www.temasactuales.com/whats_new/index.php?page=1
>
> The environment laws/regulations of all Latin America & the
> Caribbean:
> <http://www.temasactuales.com/laws_policies/LawDbase.php>
> http://www.temasactuales.com/laws_policies/LawDbase.php
>
> Musings about the evolution of policies on the environment,
> health and consumer protection in Latin America & the Caribbean:
> <http://www.temasactuales.com/temasblog>
> http://www.temasactuales.com/temasblog
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> == 2 of 4 ==
> Date: Tues, Nov 21 2006 1:05  pm
> From: "Pat Franklin"
>
>
> My 2-cents.....It's great that scrap PET bottles are being recycled  
> into
> cisterns and tire rims in Central America.  That's certainly better  
> than
> ending up in a landfill, but isn't it too bad that they're not being
> recycled into new bottles!
>
> ****************************************
> Patricia Franklin
> Executive Director
> Container Recycling Institute
> Tel.(202) 263-0999   Fax: (202) 263-0949
> www.container-recycling.org and  www.bottlebill.org
>
>
>
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: GreenYes@no.address [mailto:GreenYes@no.address]On
> Behalf Of Keith Ripley
>   Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:09 PM
>   To: GreenYes@no.address
>   Subject: [GreenYes] Buildings & cisterns made with PET bottles &  
> tire rims
>
>
>   Greenyesers might find interesting the experiments underway in  
> Central
> America – and soon Colombia as well – in constructing cheap but  
> attractive
> and durable homes, buildings, cisterns, kiosks and bus stops with  
> scrap PET
> soda bottles and end-of-life vehicle tire rims, which I write about  
> in my
> latest blog entry:
>
>
>
>   http://www.temasactuales.com/temasblog/?p=94
>
>
>
>   It’s fascinating and innovative work to utilize wasted materials in
> constructing facilities that benefit primarily poor and marginal
> communities.  The work was recently recognized by the Central American
> Commission on Environment and Development (CCAD) with an environmental
> innovation award.
>
>
>
>   In an upcoming entry I’ll be looking at Argentine efforts to used  
> recycled
> materials (paper, plastic) to build housing for the poor there.
>
>
>
>   Best Regards,
>
>   Keith
>
>
>
>   -----------------------------------------------
>
>   Keith E. Ripley
>
>   Temas Actuales LLC
>
>   e-mail: keith.ripley@no.address
>
>   http://www.temasactuales.com
>
>   El Equipo Verde
>
>
>
>   Author of the book "Solid Wastes and Recycling Policy in Latin  
> America &
> the Caribbean"
>
>   http://www.temasactuales.com/temas_in_print/index_wastebookpromo.php
>
>
>
>   Environment & consumer policy news of Latin America & the Caribbean:
> http://www.temasactuales.com/whats_new/index.php?page=1
>
>   The environment laws/regulations of all Latin America & the  
> Caribbean:
> http://www.temasactuales.com/laws_policies/LawDbase.php
>
>   Musings about the evolution of policies on the environment,  
> health and
> consumer protection in Latin America & the Caribbean:
> http://www.temasactuales.com/temasblog
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> == 3 of 4 ==
> Date: Tues, Nov 21 2006 1:17  pm
> From: "Keith Ripley"
>
>
> In point of fact, the PET bottles are not being recycled into
> tire rims.  PET bottles plus tire rims are both being used as
> construction materials.
>
>
>
> And Pat, yeah, it would be nice, but we’re talking about a very
> poor country like Honduras with almost no formal recycling
> experience to speak of (wastepickers conducting recycling on
> small scale, yes, and maybe a small ecoclub here or there, but
> more than that…), where you won’t be seeing bottle-to-bottle
> recycling for a while yet.  This is not the US we’re talking
> about.
>
>
>
> Have to start somewhere.
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> Sr. Keith Edward Ripley
>
> Temas Actuales LLC
>
> telefono: 703-731-7108
>
> e-mail: keith.ripley@no.address
>
>  <http://www.temasactuales.com/> http://www.temasactuales.com
>
>  <http://www.dr1.com/blogs/?u=environment> El Equipo Verde
>
>
>
> Autor del libro "Solid Wastes and Recycling Policy in Latin
> America & the Caribbean"
>
>
> <http://www.temasactuales.com/temas_in_print/index_wastebookpromo
> .php>
> http://www.temasactuales.com/temas_in_print/index_wastebookpromo.
> php
>
>
>
> Noticias ambientales de América Latina y el Caribe:
> <http://www.temasactuales.com/whats_new/index.php?page=1>
> http://www.temasactuales.com/whats_new/index.php?page=1
>
> Las leyes/los reglamentos ambientales de todo America Latina y el
> Caribe:
> <http://www.temasactuales.com/laws_policies/LawDbase.php>
> http://www.temasactuales.com/laws_policies/LawDbase.php
>
> Perspectivas sobre la evolucion de politica sobre el medio
> ambiente, salud publica y defensa del consumidor en America
> Latina y el Caribe: http://www.temasactuales.com/temasblog
>
> Este mensaje es solo para el uso del Destinatario y puede
> contener información que ES CONFIDENCIAL. Si usted no es el
> recipiente destinado, mediante la presente usted esta notificado
> que se prohíbe estrictamente la diseminación de esta
> comunicación. Si usted ha recibido esta comunicación por error,
> por favor borrar todas las copias del mensaje y sus anexos y nos
> notifica inmediatamente. Gracias.
>
>   _____
>
> From: GreenYes@no.address
> [mailto:GreenYes@no.address] On Behalf Of Pat Franklin
> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 1:05 PM
> To: Keith Ripley; GreenYes@no.address
> Cc: manuel_cerrato@no.address
> Subject: [GreenYes] Re: Buildings & cisterns made with PET
> bottles & tire rims
>
>
>
> My 2-cents.....It's great that scrap PET bottles are being
> recycled into cisterns and tire rims in Central America.  That's
> certainly better than ending up in a landfill, but isn't it too
> bad that they're not being recycled into new bottles!
>
>
>
> ****************************************
> Patricia Franklin
> Executive Director
> Container Recycling Institute
> Tel.(202) 263-0999   Fax: (202) 263-0949
> www.container-recycling.org <http://www.container-recycling.org/>
> and  www.bottlebill.org <http://www.bottlebill.org/>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GreenYes@no.address
> [mailto:GreenYes@no.address]On Behalf Of Keith Ripley
> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:09 PM
> To: GreenYes@no.address
> Subject: [GreenYes] Buildings & cisterns made with PET bottles &
> tire rims
>
> Greenyesers might find interesting the experiments underway in
> Central America – and soon Colombia as well – in constructing
> cheap but attractive and durable homes, buildings, cisterns,
> kiosks and bus stops with scrap PET soda bottles and end-of-life
> vehicle tire rims, which I write about in my latest blog entry:
>
>
>
> http://www.temasactuales.com/temasblog/?p=94
>
>
>
> It’s fascinating and innovative work to utilize wasted materials
> in constructing facilities that benefit primarily poor and
> marginal communities.  The work was recently recognized by the
> Central American Commission on Environment and Development (CCAD)
> with an environmental innovation award.
>
>
>
> In an upcoming entry I’ll be looking at Argentine efforts to used
> recycled materials (paper, plastic) to build housing for the poor
> there.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> Keith E. Ripley
>
> Temas Actuales LLC
>
> e-mail: keith.ripley@no.address
>
>  <http://www.temasactuales.com/> http://www.temasactuales.com
>
>  <http://www.dr1.com/blogs/?u=environment> El Equipo Verde
>
>
>
> Author of the book "Solid Wastes and Recycling Policy in Latin
> America & the Caribbean"
>
>
> <http://www.temasactuales.com/temas_in_print/index_wastebookpromo
> .php>
> http://www.temasactuales.com/temas_in_print/index_wastebookpromo.
> php
>
>
>
> Environment & consumer policy news of Latin America & the
> Caribbean:
> <http://www.temasactuales.com/whats_new/index.php?page=1>
> http://www.temasactuales.com/whats_new/index.php?page=1
>
> The environment laws/regulations of all Latin America & the
> Caribbean:
> <http://www.temasactuales.com/laws_policies/LawDbase.php>
> http://www.temasactuales.com/laws_policies/LawDbase.php
>
> Musings about the evolution of policies on the environment,
> health and consumer protection in Latin America & the Caribbean:
> <http://www.temasactuales.com/temasblog>
> http://www.temasactuales.com/temasblog
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> == 4 of 4 ==
> Date: Tues, Nov 21 2006 1:30  pm
> From: "Pat Franklin"
>
>
> Actually Keith, we're not doing much better here in the  
> USofA.....we're only
> recycling slightly more than 1 out of 5 PET bottles and only a  
> fraction of
> those bottles end up as new bottles.
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: GreenYes@no.address [mailto:GreenYes@no.address]On
> Behalf Of Keith Ripley
>   Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 1:18 PM
>   To: pfranklin@no.address; GreenYes@no.address
>   Cc: manuel_cerrato@no.address
>   Subject: [GreenYes] Re: Buildings & cisterns made with PET  
> bottles & tire
> rims
>
>
>   In point of fact, the PET bottles are not being recycled into  
> tire rims.
> PET bottles plus tire rims are both being used as construction  
> materials.
>
>
>
>   And Pat, yeah, it would be nice, but we’re talking about a very poor
> country like Honduras with almost no formal recycling experience to  
> speak of
> (wastepickers conducting recycling on small scale, yes, and maybe a  
> small
> ecoclub here or there, but more than that…), where you won’t be seeing
> bottle-to-bottle recycling for a while yet.  This is not the US we’re
> talking about.
>
>
>
>   Have to start somewhere.
>
>
>
>   -----------------------------------------------
>
>   Sr. Keith Edward Ripley
>
>   Temas Actuales LLC
>
>   telefono: 703-731-7108
>
>   e-mail: keith.ripley@no.address
>
>   http://www.temasactuales.com
>
>   El Equipo Verde
>
>
>
>   Autor del libro "Solid Wastes and Recycling Policy in Latin  
> America & the
> Caribbean"
>
>   http://www.temasactuales.com/temas_in_print/index_wastebookpromo.php
>
>
>
>   Noticias ambientales de América Latina y el Caribe:
> http://www.temasactuales.com/whats_new/index.php?page=1
>
>   Las leyes/los reglamentos ambientales de todo America Latina y el  
> Caribe:
> http://www.temasactuales.com/laws_policies/LawDbase.php
>
>   Perspectivas sobre la evolucion de politica sobre el medio  
> ambiente, salud
> publica y defensa del consumidor en America Latina y el Caribe:
> http://www.temasactuales.com/temasblog
>
>   Este mensaje es solo para el uso del Destinatario y puede contener
> información que ES CONFIDENCIAL. Si usted no es el recipiente  
> destinado,
> mediante la presente usted esta notificado que se prohíbe  
> estrictamente la
> diseminación de esta comunicación. Si usted ha recibido esta  
> comunicación
> por error, por favor borrar todas las copias del mensaje y sus  
> anexos y nos
> notifica inmediatamente. Gracias.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> ------
> --
>
>   From: GreenYes@no.address  
> [mailto:GreenYes@no.address] On
> Behalf Of Pat Franklin
>   Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 1:05 PM
>   To: Keith Ripley; GreenYes@no.address
>   Cc: manuel_cerrato@no.address
>   Subject: [GreenYes] Re: Buildings & cisterns made with PET  
> bottles & tire
> rims
>
>
>
>   My 2-cents.....It's great that scrap PET bottles are being  
> recycled into
> cisterns and tire rims in Central America.  That's certainly better  
> than
> ending up in a landfill, but isn't it too bad that they're not being
> recycled into new bottles!
>
>
>
>   ****************************************
>   Patricia Franklin
>   Executive Director
>   Container Recycling Institute
>   Tel.(202) 263-0999   Fax: (202) 263-0949
>   www.container-recycling.org and  www.bottlebill.org
>
>
>
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: GreenYes@no.address  
> [mailto:GreenYes@no.address]On
> Behalf Of Keith Ripley
>     Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:09 PM
>     To: GreenYes@no.address
>     Subject: [GreenYes] Buildings & cisterns made with PET bottles  
> & tire
> rims
>
>     Greenyesers might find interesting the experiments underway in  
> Central
> America – and soon Colombia as well – in constructing cheap but  
> attractive
> and durable homes, buildings, cisterns, kiosks and bus stops with  
> scrap PET
> soda bottles and end-of-life vehicle tire rims, which I write about  
> in my
> latest blog entry:
>
>
>
>     http://www.temasactuales.com/temasblog/?p=94
>
>
>
>     It’s fascinating and innovative work to utilize wasted  
> materials in
> constructing facilities that benefit primarily poor and marginal
> communities.  The work was recently recognized by the Central American
> Commission on Environment and Development (CCAD) with an environmental
> innovation award.
>
>
>
>     In an upcoming entry I’ll be looking at Argentine efforts to used
> recycled materials (paper, plastic) to build housing for the poor  
> there.
>
>
>
>     Best Regards,
>
>     Keith
>
>
>
>     -----------------------------------------------
>
>     Keith E. Ripley
>
>     Temas Actuales LLC
>
>     e-mail: keith.ripley@no.address
>
>     http://www.temasactuales.com
>
>     El Equipo Verde
>
>
>
>     Author of the book "Solid Wastes and Recycling Policy in Latin  
> America &
> the Caribbean"
>
>     http://www.temasactuales.com/temas_in_print/ 
> index_wastebookpromo.php
>
>
>
>     Environment & consumer policy news of Latin America & the  
> Caribbean:
> http://www.temasactuales.com/whats_new/index.php?page=1
>
>     The environment laws/regulations of all Latin America & the  
> Caribbean:
> http://www.temasactuales.com/laws_policies/LawDbase.php
>
>     Musings about the evolution of policies on the environment,  
> health and
> consumer protection in Latin America & the Caribbean:
> http://www.temasactuales.com/temasblog
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ====================================================================== 
> ========
> TOPIC: MSW/Recycling Video
> http://groups.google.com/group/GreenYes/browse_thread/thread/ 
> 3a94e36a5231a3dc
> ====================================================================== 
> ========
>
> == 1 of 2 ==
> Date: Tues, Nov 21 2006 12:37  pm
> From: David Biddle
>
>
> Hey Folks-
>
> Has anyone got a good reference/recommendation for a short (10  
> minutes or
> less) video generally describing the disposal problem and how  
> recycling
> represents at least one solution‹particularly for the commercial  
> sector.
> I¹ve tracked down a number of material and/or region specific  
> stuff, but
> nothing that really looks at solid waste disposal as a problem and  
> then
> recycling (along with reduction, reuse, zero waste) as a solution.  
> Titles
> and a direction to head to find such a video would be most  
> appreciated. This
> is for a group of business executive types, not your average citizen.
>
> Thanks in advance for the suggestions.
>
> db
> -- 
> David Biddle, Executive Director
> <http://www.blueolives.blogspot.com>
> Greater Philadelphia Commercial Recycling Council
> P.O. Box 4037
> Philadelphia, PA 19118
>
> 215-247-3090 (desk)
> 215-432-8225 (cell)
>
> <http://www.gpcrc.com>
>
> Read In Business magazine to learn about sustainable
> businesses in communities across North America!
> Go to: <http://www.jgpress.com/inbusine.htm>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> == 2 of 2 ==
> Date: Tues, Nov 21 2006 12:37  pm
> From: "Mattias Wallander"
>
>
> David,
>
> Recycling Association of Minnesota made a short film called  
> "Recycling Works
> for Minnesota" in 2002.  It is upbeat and shows a multitude of  
> examples of
> how recycling is good for business - it may work well with your  
> audience.
> www.recycleminnesota.org
> (651)641-4560
>
> Best Regards,
> Mattias Wallander
> CEO
>
> U'SAgain, LLC
> 1600 Downs Drive, Unit 8
> West Chicago, IL 60185
> Phone: 630-293-1239
> Fax: 630-293-1237
> www.usagain.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: GreenYes@no.address [mailto:GreenYes@no.address]  
> On Behalf
> Of David Biddle
> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:38 AM
> To: GreenYes
> Subject: [GreenYes] MSW/Recycling Video
>
>
> Hey Folks-
>
> Has anyone got a good reference/recommendation for a short (10  
> minutes or
> less) video generally describing the disposal problem and how  
> recycling
> represents at least one solution-particularly for the commercial  
> sector.
> I've tracked down a number of material and/or region specific  
> stuff, but
> nothing that really looks at solid waste disposal as a problem and  
> then
> recycling (along with reduction, reuse, zero waste) as a solution.  
> Titles
> and a direction to head to find such a video would be most  
> appreciated. This
> is for a group of business executive types, not your average citizen.
>
> Thanks in advance for the suggestions.
>
> db
> -- 
> David Biddle, Executive Director
> <http://www.blueolives.blogspot.com> <http:// 
> www.blueolives.blogspot.com>
> Greater Philadelphia Commercial Recycling Council
> P.O. Box 4037
> Philadelphia, PA 19118
>
> 215-247-3090 (desk)
> 215-432-8225 (cell)
>
> <http://www.gpcrc.com>
>
> Read In Business magazine to learn about sustainable
> businesses in communities across North America!
> Go to: <http://www.jgpress.com/inbusine.htm>
> <http://www.jgpress.com/inbusine.htm>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ====================================================================== 
> ========
> TOPIC: Private Recycling Collection, Public Processing examples?
> http://groups.google.com/group/GreenYes/browse_thread/thread/ 
> ae10e3c227cff8a6
> ====================================================================== 
> ========
>
> == 1 of 1 ==
> Date: Tues, Nov 21 2006 10:05  am
> From: Gary Liss
>
>
> Apologies for cross-posting
>
>>  From: Stecker, Philip P. [mailto:SteckePP@no.address]
>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 3:50 PM
>> Subject: Recycling Collection
>>
>> I wonder if you can help. We are a County that manages the entire
>> recycling program for all of our 32 municipalities including  
>> 65,000 households.
>>
>> We would like to find out which other public sector entities around
>> the United States manage recycling collection in the following  
>> manner as we do:
>>
>> 1. We hire private contractors to perform all curbside recyclables
>> collection and deliver all materials to our MRF
>>
>> 2. We own and operate the MRF
>>
>> Do you know of any other public sector entities (large cities,
>> counties, districts, or regional authorities) that hire private
>> contractors to perform ONLY collection of recyclables and NOT  
>> processing?
>>
>> Please forward this email to anyone else you think might have
>> additional information besides what you can provide, or possibly
>> have an interest in pursuing our contract...
>>
>> Thank you very much for any information you can provide.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>> Philip P. Stecker, P.E., DEE
>> Director of Solid Waste
>> Outagamie County
>> 1419 Holland Road
>> Appleton, WI 54911
>>
>> Office: 920-832-1521  Mobile: 920-810-2711
>> Fax:
>> 920-788-4130  Email:
>> <mailto:steckepp@no.address>steckepp@no.address
>>
>>
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> Gary Liss
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> Fax: 916-652-0485
> www.garyliss.com
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>
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> TOPIC: Atty Genl. Opinion of Exclusive Solid Waste Services
> http://groups.google.com/group/GreenYes/browse_thread/thread/ 
> c6256bf9b9cc96d
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> ========
>
> == 1 of 1 ==
> Date: Tues, Nov 21 2006 10:35  am
> From: Gary Liss
>
>
> Val,
>
> Thanks for sharing this.  This did not address whether it was a good
> idea or not to proceed to have an exclusive contract.  To address
> that issue, I suggest you review the document "Open the Flow" at
> http://www.crra.com/irc/guide.html and CRRA's policy on Flow Control
> at http://www.crra.com/irc/policy.html.  Zero Waste advocates
> encourage communities to organize on an open competitive basis rather
> than using exclusive contracts or franchises, to fully harness the
> forces of the marketplace to provide services needed to achieve  
> Zero Waste.
>
> Gary Liss
>
> At 10:47 AM 11/20/2006, vpeters wrote:
>> This letter/attachment was forwarded to me from Del Norte & I'd like
>> to share it/invite opinions from the zero waste community.
>>
>> Happy Thanksgiving,
>> Val Peters
>> Zero Waste Advocate
>> Community Outreach Educator
>> ____________
>>
>> I just received this from California State Association of Counties
>> and it is dealing with the Attorney General opinion of solid waste
>> haulers exclusive right to provide collection services, and other
>> related items.  I thought this maybe important.
>>
>> W. Arthur Reeve, PE.
>> County Engineer
>> 981 H St., Suite 110
>> Crescent City, CA 95531
>> 707-465-0430, ext. 284
>> 707-464-7229, fax 707-465-0340
>>
>
> Gary Liss
> 916-652-7850
> Fax: 916-652-0485
> www.garyliss.com
>
>
>
>
>
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> ========
> TOPIC: Penn and Teller Recycling is B*llsh*t
> http://groups.google.com/group/GreenYes/browse_thread/thread/ 
> 5f0751ecd6f936d6
> ====================================================================== 
> ========
>
> == 1 of 2 ==
> Date: Tues, Nov 21 2006 2:44  pm
> From: David Biddle
>
>
> A few years back David Woods of GRRN told us about the Penn & Teller
> ³Recycling is Bullshit² episode he was amply featured in‹along with  
> Neil
> Seldman of ILSR. At the time most of us didn¹t respond to this  
> notice and
> probably many folks never saw the show. I certainly didn¹t.  
> However, in my
> research for a decent and general recycling intro video I¹ve found  
> that
> ³Recycling is Bullshit² is now available at GoogleVideo. I just  
> played the
> whole thing while working on an education plan for someone. It¹s  
> enough to
> make you insane. So, if you¹d like to feel a bit more jaded than  
> you already
> feel, and get really pissed off, and listen to guys completely  
> distort many
> of the basic arguments for recycling right out the window, go check  
> it out
> (address below). When you get there, you should also check out  
> ³Bullshit!
> Environmental Hysteria.² It too is a trip through big, fat idiot  
> land. A
> note of caution for those of you with pristine ears, there¹s a good  
> amount
> of colorful language.
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7734998370503499886
>
> P.S. As much as what Penn & Teller are doing is bizarre and twisted, I
> couldn¹t help chuckling whenever they just made unquestioning, idiotic
> statements based on nothing but propaganda and wishful thinking.  
> It¹s really
> an amusing little half-hour video.
> -- 
> David Biddle, Executive Director
> <http://www.blueolives.blogspot.com>
> Greater Philadelphia Commercial Recycling Council
> P.O. Box 4037
> Philadelphia, PA 19118
>
> 215-247-3090 (desk)
> 215-432-8225 (cell)
>
> <http://www.gpcrc.com>
>
> Read In Business magazine to learn about sustainable
> businesses in communities across North America!
> Go to: <http://www.jgpress.com/inbusine.htm>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> == 2 of 2 ==
> Date: Tues, Nov 21 2006 3:08  pm
> From: David Biddle
>
>
> PS, I feel so bad for Neil and David, but at the same time I think  
> they held
> their own pretty well, all things considered. Penn & Teller need to  
> be hit
> up side the head.
>
> db
>
> on 11/21/06 2:44 PM, David Biddle at Dbiddle@no.address wrote:
>
>> A few years back David Woods of GRRN told us about the Penn & Teller
>> ³Recycling is Bullshit² episode he was amply featured in‹along  
>> with Neil
>> Seldman of ILSR. At the time most of us didn¹t respond to this  
>> notice and
>> probably many folks never saw the show. I certainly didn¹t.  
>> However, in my
>> research for a decent and general recycling intro video I¹ve found  
>> that
>> ³Recycling is Bullshit² is now available at GoogleVideo. I just  
>> played the
>> whole thing while working on an education plan for someone. It¹s  
>> enough to
>> make you insane. So, if you¹d like to feel a bit more jaded than  
>> you already
>> feel, and get really pissed off, and listen to guys completely  
>> distort many of
>> the basic arguments for recycling right out the window, go check  
>> it out
>> (address below). When you get there, you should also check out  
>> ³Bullshit!
>> Environmental Hysteria.² It too is a trip through big, fat idiot  
>> land. A note
>> of caution for those of you with pristine ears, there¹s a good  
>> amount of
>> colorful language.
>>
>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7734998370503499886
>>
>> P.S. As much as what Penn & Teller are doing is bizarre and  
>> twisted, I
>> couldn¹t help chuckling whenever they just made unquestioning,  
>> idiotic
>> statements based on nothing but propaganda and wishful thinking.  
>> It¹s really
>> an amusing little half-hour video.
>
>
> -- 
> David Biddle, Executive Director
> <http://www.blueolives.blogspot.com>
> Greater Philadelphia Commercial Recycling Council
> P.O. Box 4037
> Philadelphia, PA 19118
>
> 215-247-3090 (desk)
> 215-432-8225 (cell)
>
> <http://www.gpcrc.com>
>
> Read In Business magazine to learn about sustainable
> businesses in communities across North America!
> Go to: <http://www.jgpress.com/inbusine.htm>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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