Re: [greenyes] Re: film recycling

[David Biddle <Dbiddle@no.address>]

Mike-

This recycling game (and composting) takes a helluvalot of commitment and
diligence?and money. If you¹re interested in composting as a career, I¹m
sure there are a few companies in the Eugene area that you can turn to to
learn the ropes. If not, you may want to try a large waste service company
and learn their ropes and see if you can push them in your direction. After
a few years, you¹ll see where you need to take things.

There¹s no question that business development is a risky, time consuming
proposition. But anything¹s possible with the right person who is dedicated
and thorough. Dan W. speaks the truth. He has built himself quite a unique
and successful enterprise through, I¹m sure, insanely hard work and a deep
commitment to his vision. If you believe in what you want to do, make it
happen by taking baby steps.

You ask ³how come its not a reality?² I¹m not sure about where you live, but
it is a reality in many places around the country. Read Biocycle, In
Business, (http://www.jgpress.com) Resource Recycling
(http://www.resource-recycling.com), and other magazines.  There¹s some
amazing stuff going on throughout North America. Yes, the big status quo
corporate and institutional players are tough nuts to crack and hard to
compete with, but there¹s no end to what you can do with intelligence and
commitment. 

Good luck in all that you do.

 David Biddle, Executive Director


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on 5/15/05 11:28 PM, Mike Morin at mikemorin@no.address wrote:

>> >In regards to "one of the problems with Capitalism". If my idea will not
>> work, then I should fail and lose my investment; that is the beauty and great
>> >wisdom of Capitalism. That is why successful entrepreneurs and businesses do
>> their homework and learn all they can about product viability before >huge
>> investments are made. In my need for funding, whether public or private, even
>> more scrutiny should be (and would be) given to the idea.  >Rarely does any
>> product or business succeed without great commitment of research, money, time
>> and effort. 
>  
> There is very little to no wisdom in the modus operandi of Capitalism.
> Corporate Conglomerate Capitalists are at a distinct advantage to your
> so-called mythical "entrepreneurs". Like I wrote in my previous post, some
> individuals can take the risk and do the homework. Most folks can't. So what
> we're left with is a society where rich corporations control the land grant
> (e.g. Ohio State University) and other educational institutions  and use their
> wealth to fatten their minority holdings at the expense of the many.
>  
> That is not even to mention the externalities that the CCC's eschew. What I
> proposed along the lines of recycling organic waste would be beneficial to do.
> How come it is not a reality?
>  
> What are the realities with respect to recycling efforts? Dare I mention the
> need to reduce and reuse?
>  
>  
> Working for peace and cooperation,
>  
> Mike Morin
>>  
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>  
>> From:  Dan  Weisenbach <mailto:dan@no.address>
>>  
>> To: greenyes@no.address
>>  
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 1:24 PM
>>  
>> Subject: [greenyes] Re: film  recycling
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  "film" as we refer to it in  recycling, means thin flexible plastic; as
>> opposed to rigid containers.  Plastic grocery bags, retail bags, stretch wrap
>> (used on shipping pallets --  basically the same stuff as Saran Wrap),
>> plastic mailing envelopes (both LDPE  and HDPE -- a.k.a. Tyvek) and many
>> flexible food packages are examples of  recyclable plastic film.  Rigid
>> containers made of HDPE (#2) and  LDPE (#4) plastics have a higher melt point
>> and must normally be recycled  separately from film products of the same
>> polymer.
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>> 
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>> 
>> "Photographic Film" is actually  polyester; as are the plastic printing
>> plates that we use on our offset  printing presses, shiny metallic balloons,
>> many potato chip bags, and  thousands of other photographic and packaging
>> uses. Polyester film *can* be  recycled, although it might be considered a
>> contaminant in a load of grocery  bags and stretch film.
>>  
>> 
>> Polyester film is PET, yes like beverage  bottles. For recycling, PET film is
>> not compatible with PET containers.
>>  
>> 
>> Side note: "Mylar" is DuPont's brand name for  their polyester film used in
>> various types of packaging.
>>  
>> 
>> In lieu of recycling, the energy in PET film  can be recovered when the film
>> is used as fuel (our printing plates along with  our waste inks are burned in
>> a cement kiln used in the production of  concrete).
>>  
>> 
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>>  
>> 
>> I will find out how important it is for PET  film to be separated from HDPE
>> and LDPE when recycled into plastic lumber  products.
>>  
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>> 
>> In regards to "one of the problems with  Capitalism". If my idea will not
>> work, then I should fail and lose my  investment; that is the beauty and
>> great wisdom of Capitalism. That is why  successful entrepreneurs and
>> businesses do their homework and learn all they  can about product viability
>> before huge investments are made. In my need for  funding, whether public or
>> private, even more scrutiny should be (and would  be) given to the idea.
>> Rarely does any product or business succeed  without great commitment of
>> research, money, time and effort.  When I  helped develop the Recycling
>> Market Development Grants here in Ohio, we  purposefully structured a $
>> matching requirement for the requesting entities.  The approval process
>> involves both the public and private sector to study the  viability. As it
>> should be.  One of the most useful and productive roles  of government is to
>> assist businesses -- or just stay out of the way. The  American form of
>> Capitalism is the most productive and successful structure in  the history of
>> mankind.
>>  
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> Every day I risk all that I own, the  well-being of my family, and the
>> livelihood of all my employees, to pursue a  dream.
>>  
>> 
>>  
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>> 
>> Responsibly,
>>  
>> 
>> Dan  Weisenbach
>>  
>> 
>> www.RecycledProducts.com <http://www.RecycledProducts.com>
>>  
>> 
>> Columbus, Ohio
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>  On Sun, 15 May 2005 11:33:14 -0700,  Mike Morin wrote:
>> I don't  know what you're referring to when you
>>> > say plastic film. Isn't  photo-chemical processing obsolete? Anyways,
>>> > your query makes me think of  one of the problems with Capitalism.
>>> > That is, unless you can afford  to lose it, you probably shouldn't
>>> > take the risk. Some people can  afford it, most can't.
>>> > Working for peace and  cooperation,
>>> > Leland in Eugene
>>> > MM
>>>> >> ----- Original Message  -----
>>>> >> From: Dan  Weisenbach
>>>> >> To: greenyes@no.address ;  Samantha MacBride
>>>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 15,  2005 11:06 AM
>>>> >> Subject: [greenyes]  post-consumer, bag & film recycling
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I am designing a  re-usable container for the household or office
>>>> >> collection of plastic  film for recycling. My prototype has a
>>>> >> small, one-way opening to  stuff bags and plastic film so it
>>>> >> compacts as you fill the  container (patent pending). This could
>>>> >> be used for residential  curbside collection (with container
>>>> >> exchange), office  building recycling programs, and/or the
>>>> >> container could be  mailed/shipped to a recycler.  All I need now
>>>> >> is funding to make this  system a reality. Please let me know if
>>>> >> this is of any interest  to your communities.  I would love to
>>>> >> take this project to next  steps!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dan  Weisenbach
>>>> >> www.RecycledProducts.com
>>>> >> Columbus,  Ohio
>> 
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