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Re: [greenyes] Plastic from corn?

Being a composter, maybe I'm missing something in this discussion, but isn't the point of corn/soy based plastics that you can compost them? So rather than look at them as a contaminant in plastics recycling (which is obviously a concern), why not look at them as an exciting new way to remove that much more material from the waste stream into a cycle which makes them into compost which can be used to grow corn, soybeans, wine grapes, etc.?

Pat is right though about the issue of separating the two "plastics" in the recycling stream. How will the public (or the operators, or the sorters) learn that some "plastic" is biodegradable and some is not? I'm not sure it makes sense to use biodegradable plates, cutlery, packaging, etc. if its just going to end up in a landfill.

As for groups to tap into, the US Composting Council discusses this issue regularly and many members have far more knowledge about and experience with biodegradables than I. Check out:

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On Nov 30, 2004, at 6:10 AM, Pat Franklin wrote:

Don makes a good argument for corn/soy-based plastics over petroleum-derived
plastics, but I don't think it's quite that simple particularly when you get
into the area of recycling and how the two types of plastics interact in the
recycling stream. This is an interesting and important dialogue that (in my
mind) needs to continue. Does anyone know what group(s) we might tap into
for more information?

Pat Franklin

-----Original Message-----
From: D Hughes [mailto:djhughes@no.address]
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:26 PM
To: Jenny Gitlitz; greenyes
Cc: Maine, Bruce
Subject: Re: [greenyes] Plastic from corn?

There are two major advantages that corn- or soy-based plastics have over
their petroleum-derived counterparts. First, they are renewable. Second,
they are biodegradable. The consequences of these two advantages, taken
together, are immense: growing corn does not contribute to global warming,
to anywhere near the extent that petroleum does; nor does it create a waste
product which, unless incinerated, lasts virtually forever. Plastic litter
is the most commonly seen pollutant in the world's oceans, and has led to
the death of untold numbers of marine wildlife. That in itself should be
reason to make the switch.
Don Hughes

ps. Cutting back on pork and beef consumption would not be a bad idea,
both in terms of better health and reducing human impacts on the

t 08:48 AM 11/29/2004, Jenny Gitlitz wrote:
On 11/29/04 8:12 AM, Maine, Bruce at Bruce.Maine@no.address wrote:

Sacrificing food resources for consumer goods doesn't seem
to make a lot of sense

From what I understand, "sacrificing" food resources is not an issue.
is a surplus of corn grown in the U.S.--subsidization accounting for the
glut. Also--the vast majority of corn grown in the U.S. is used as cattle
feed, not as a direct food source for humans. If we were all to become
vegetarians or vegans, we could probably cut the land (and water & energy)
used to grow our agricultural products by 80-90% (not to mention ag

From what I understand, the energy inputs used to grow and process
corn-based plastics may exceed the energy value of comparable plastic resin
from petroleum. I have not seen a complete life-cycle analysis on this, so
can't vouch for this. I am curious to learn if this can be done with net
energy savings over traditional plastics manufacture.

Other factors must be kept in mind, too: pesticide use, for one. American
corn manufacture is a monocrop process that is pesticide-, fertilizer-, and
water-intensive, and reduces the potential (=historical) biodiversity of
plains. Trading one monocrop output (beef) for another (corn plastics)
doesn't seem like a big win for our society. If the corn could be grown
organically, intercropped with other grains, and bred to be
drought-tolerant, the overall picture might be different.


Jennifer Gitlitz
Research Director, Container Recycling Institute

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