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Re: [greenyes] RE: PEER Press Release


Wow, has this off-topic item taken on it's own life. I didn't see an "attack on anybody who believes in God"....I saw a statement of concern that many close to Bush look at the future with a certain perspective, which was most notoriously associated with the statements of James Watt, Reagan's first Sec. of Interior. There ARE indeed a growing number of fundamentalist Christians who believe the Rapture will come during THEIR lifetimes. This trend observation should not be seen as a criticism, but rather a fact that we have to deal with [and maybe reconcile within ourselves?]

To bring this back on-topic, this difference in perspectives is something that all of us who work to extend the life of materials and reduce pollution need to be aware of. The oft-used message that we cite in our promotional programs about recycling saving resources for our children and grandchildren really won't have much affect on those who firmly belive that there will not be a need for earthly resources in a generation or two!

Pete Pasterz
Michigan State University

>>> Ken McEntee <ken@no.address> 11/01/04 02:13PM >>>
Thank you Steve Swaim and Dan Weisenbach.

This attack against anybody who believes in God at every available
opportunity, relevent or not, is really nauseating. And very absurd
considering that the vast majority of the Earth's population DOES
believe in God in some respect, even if their particular religions vary.

Ken McEntee


Steve Swaim wrote:

>Let's please leave the liberal political views out of this list serve.
>
>Steven W. Swaim
>Recycling Coordinator
>Davidson County, NC
>Ph: (336) 242-2856
>Fax: (336) 242-2172
>Mobile: (336) 240-0295
>email: sswaim@no.address
>
>"Good enough never is"
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Bloom [mailto:spbloom@no.address]
>Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 12:44 PM
>To: _greenyes
>Subject: RE: [greenyes] RE: PEER Press Release
>
> Unfortunately, Bush and a lot of his supporters are confirmed
>Millenialists who see
>exploiting the Earth prior to the anticipated return of that Jewish
>preacher (who as such
>still wouldn't be eligible for membership in certain private social
>institutions run by
>members of the Bush "base") as their God-given duty. Long-term
>environmental concerns are
>just not a problem for these people.
> I'm reminded of a joke (?) I heard a few days ago that Bush's
>favorite song is "Nearer My
>God to Thee." That in turn puts me in mind of a bumper sticker my
>partner recently put on
>her car that reads "Where are we going, and why am I in this hand
>basket?"
> -- Steve Bloom
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: D Hughes [mailto:djhughes@no.address]
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:23 PM
>>To: DONNAWAY Jay; greenyes@no.address
>>Subject: Re: [greenyes] RE: PEER Press Release
>>
>>
>>I thought that part of the National Park Services' mission is to
>>
>>
>educate
>
>
>>the public. Having
>>a book at the Grand Canyon gift shop claiming the Grand Canyon was
>>
>>
>created
>
>
>>by Noah's
>>flood hardly fills this mission, although I find it more of an
>>embarrassment than anything
>>else. The choice is yours to buy it or not. What is far more
>>
>>
>disturbing
>
>
>>is the placement of these bronze plaques bearing Psalms verses at
>>
>>
>scenic
>
>
>>overlooks. This is clearly a case of the Federal government
>>
>>
>advocating for
>
>
>>a particular religion. Can you imagine the reaction if verses from
>>
>>
>the
>
>
>>Quaran were installed? Shall we install some Buddhist shrines as
>>
>>
>well?
>
>
>> Let God's handiwork speak for itself.
>> amen.
>> Don Hughes
>>
>>
>>At 12:16 PM 10/25/2004, DONNAWAY Jay wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Since when does stocking the gift shop shelves with a particular
>>>
>>>
>product
>
>
>>>amount to Federal advocacy? If it does, I would expect the
>>>environmental community to be more concerned about toxic toy
>>>pterodactyls pumped full of plasticizers than the offering of a
>>>
>>>
>single
>
>
>>>book that by it's very title, professes to offer an alternative view.
>>>What's next, oh defenders of Liberty, book burning in the name of
>>>
>>>
>green
>
>
>>>energy?
>>>
>>>Jay Donnaway
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>-
>
>
>>>---------------------------------------------------
>>>Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:54:10 -0500
>>>To: "GreenYes" <greenyes@no.address>
>>>From: "Peter Anderson" <anderson@no.address>
>>>Subject: Administration's Science Position
>>>Message-ID: <007101c4ba14$52a761b0$6bcfaf42@no.address>
>>>
>>>Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility
>>>
>>>Press Release
>>>
>>>For Immediate Release: Wednesday, October 13, 2004
>>>Contact: Chas Offutt (202) 265-7337
>>>
>>>PARK SERVICE STICKS WITH BIBLICAL EXPLANATION FOR GRAND CANYON
>>>
>>>
>Promised
>
>
>>>Legal Review on Creationist Book Is Shelved
>>>
>>>Washington, DC - The Bush Administration has decided that it will
>>>
>>>
>stand
>
>
>>>by
>>>its approval for a book claiming the Grand Canyon was created by
>>>
>>>
>Noah's
>
>
>>>flood rather than by geologic forces, according to internal documents
>>>released today by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility
>>>(PEER).
>>>
>>>Despite telling members of Congress and the public that the legality
>>>
>>>
>and
>
>
>>>appropriateness of the National Park Service offering a creationist
>>>
>>>
>book
>
>
>>>for
>>>sale at Grand Canyon museums and bookstores was "under review at the
>>>national level by several offices," no such review took place,
>>>
>>>
>according
>
>
>>>to
>>>materials obtained by PEER under the Freedom of Information Act.
>>>Instead,
>>>the real agency position was expressed by NPS spokesperson Elaine
>>>
>>>
>Sevy
>
>
>>>as
>>>quoted in the Baptist Press News:
>>>
>>> "Now that the book has become quite popular, we don't want to
>>>
>>>
>remove
>
>
>>>it."
>>>
>>>In August of 2003, Grand Canyon National Park Superintendent Joe
>>>
>>>
>Alston
>
>
>>>attempted to block the sale of Grand Canyon: A Different View, by Tom
>>>Vail,
>>>a book explaining how the park's central feature developed on a
>>>
>>>
>biblical
>
>
>>>rather than an evolutionary time scale. NPS Headquarters, however,
>>>intervened and overruled Alston. To quiet the resulting furor, NPS
>>>
>>>
>Chief
>
>
>>>of
>>>Communications David Barna told reporters that there would be a
>>>high-level
>>>policy review, distributing talking points stating: "We hope to have
>>>
>>>
>a
>
>
>>>final
>>>decision in February [2004]." In fact, the promised review never
>>>occurred -
>>>
>>> a.. In late February, Barna crafted a draft letter to concerned
>>>members of
>>>Congress stating: "We hope to have a final decision on the book in
>>>
>>>
>March
>
>
>>>2004." That draft was rewritten in June and finally sent out to
>>>Congressional representatives with no completion date for the review
>>>
>>>
>at
>
>
>>>all;
>>> b.. NPS Headquarters did not respond to a January 25th memo from
>>>
>>>
>its
>
>
>>>own
>>>top geologists charging that sale of the book violated agency
>>>
>>>
>policies
>
>
>>>and
>>>undercut its scientific education programs;
>>> c.. The Park Service ignored a letter of protest signed by the
>>>presidents
>>>of seven scientific societies on December 16, 2003.
>>>"Promoting creationism in our national parks is just as wrong as
>>>promoting
>>>it in our public schools," stated PEER Executive Director Jeff Ruch,
>>>
>>>
>"If
>
>
>>>the
>>>Bush Administration is using public resources for pandering to
>>>
>>>
>Christian
>
>
>>>fundamentalists, it should at least have the decency to tell the
>>>
>>>
>truth
>
>
>>>about
>>>it."
>>>
>>>The creationist book is not the only religious controversy at Grand
>>>Canyon
>>>National Park. One week prior to the approved sale of Grand Canyon: A
>>>Different View, NPS Deputy Director Donald Murphy ordered that bronze
>>>plaques bearing Psalm verses be returned and reinstalled at canyon
>>>overlooks. Superintendent Alston had removed the bronze plaques on
>>>
>>>
>legal
>
>
>>>advice from Interior Department solicitors. Murphy also wrote a
>>>
>>>
>letter
>
>
>>>of
>>>apology to the plaques' sponsors, the Evangelical Sisterhood of Mary.
>>>PEER
>>>has collected other instances of what it calls the Bush
>>>
>>>
>Administration's
>
>
>>>"Faith-Based Parks" agenda.
>>>
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>>Dept of Chemistry, 431 Jahn Laboratory *
>>SUNY-College of Environmental Science & Forestry
>>Syracuse, NY 13210 *
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>>whether it happened or not."
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>>
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