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Re: [greenyes] Fwd: [USCC] Biomass energy priorities ...


Gary:
I would have to argue that using sewage sludge's ('biosolids') for energy
generation may in fact result in a faster rate of overall uptake of the
available persistent toxins into the animal kingdom of our planet since
incineration of sludge results in direct emissions of the toxins into the air
whereby it may more directly be taken into the food chain via plant surface
adsorption or via the respiratory systems of humans and other species of
wildlife that breath. Recall that the WTE industry like all industry is not
required to have zero HAPs emissions but instead are permitted to emit HAPS to
the level that there is currently Most achievable Control Technology, which for
all practical purposes is in the realm of tons of toxics per year.



On the other hand composting does not result in the same magnitude of toxic
emissions out into the air since the temperature of composting is much lower
(however mercury may volatilize at composting temperatures) The uptake of many
of the inorganic toxics via soil to plant routes could be argued to be much
slower and and less intrusive compared to the pathways described in air.



But I have to say that such a discussion is tunnel vision because its addressing
the issues in a convoluted manner. The real issue is how to bring forward
technologies that will allow human feici sledge to be a compostable resource
whereby toxic metals, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, and possible pathogens are
avoided through pollution prevention methodologies and by rethinking the
paradigms we currently use for our infrastructure to transport these human
wastes (ie mixed stream with industrial effluents)

I've not even touched on the pathways of transit of the toxins from the
incinerator ash or residual that is may in the US be put to so called benificial
use as road base near waterways.

Antoinette "Toni" Stein, PhD
800 Magnolia Street
Menlo Park, CA 94025

Telephone: 650-853-0314
cell: 650-823-7662
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Liss" <gary@no.address>
To: <greenyes@no.address>; <gaia-members@no.address>
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 7:08 PM
Subject: [greenyes] Fwd: [USCC] Biomass energy priorities ...


> Anybody want to set the record straight? We need to make sure the US
> Composting Council members understand our perspective.
>
> Gary
>
> >From: "M Reilly" <maureen.reilly@no.address>
> >To: "US Composting Council Compost Discussion List"
> ><compost@no.address>
> >Subject: Re: [USCC] Biomass energy priorities ...
> >Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:28:07 -0400
> >
> >Due to the high levels of metals, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, pathogens, and
> >persistant pollutants that can be found in sewage sludges ('biosolids') it
> >makes far more sense to use them for energy generation than to compost them,
> >and thereby concentrate the persistant toxins for further distribution into
> >the foodchain.
> >
> >Maureen Reilly
> >Toronto
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Lowell Prag <lprag@no.address>
> >To: US Composting Council Compost Discussion List
> ><compost@no.address>
> >Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 11:55 AM
> >Subject: [USCC] Biomass energy priorities ...
> >
> >
> > > On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Jim McNelly wrote:
> > >
> > > ... see below ...
> > >
> > > Hello Jim and other readers,
> > >
> > > I read the study you posted below on biomass energy.
> > >
> > > My observations are:
> > >
> > > It seems foolish to use farmland for growing crops for conversion to
> > > fuels rather than food production, until we have exhausted all other
> > > means for providing alternative fuels to wean us from fossil fuels,
> > > which is not the case.
> > >
> > > i.e:
> > >
> > > what is the methane content of all the organic waste in the USA
> > > which we are currently putting in landfills and incinerators?
> > >
> > > If we recovered that methane through the use of anaerobic composting,
> > > how much of our current fossil fuel use would that displace?
> > >
> > > It is obvious that such recoverable methane is an enormous amount but I
> > > have yet to see the exact figures for the USA and I should think that
> > > calculating and promoting that data would be the highest priority for the
> > > USCC, if one is serious about the wide spread implementation of anaerobic
> > > composting in the USA.
> > >
> > > Lowell Prag
> > >
> > > > >* Use of Biomass for the Production of Energy and Materials - On
> > > > >September 6, OECD issued a News Release, titled "Amid Volatile Oil
> >Prices
> > > > >OECD Report Calls for Policy Changes to Promote Biomass," which states
> >in
> > > > >part that " ... Plants and animal waste could become viable
> >alternatives
> > > > >to fossil fuels in providing energy and materials if governments
> >changed
> > > > >strategies ..." according to a new OECD report out today, which is the
> > > > >proceeding of an OECD Workshop on Biomass and Agriculture, held June 10
> > > > >through 13, 2003 in Vienna, Austria - The report is titled "Biomass and
> > > > >agriculture: sustainability, markets and policies" - According to the
> > > > >report " ... Instead of offering financial incentives or subsidies to
> > > > >stimulate the use of such organic material, known as 'biomass,'
> > > > >governments should encourage technical innovation as a way of narrowing
> > > > >the price gap with oil and gas products. This would stimulate demand
> >and
> > > > >boost the supply of bioproducts. Indeed, the recent volatility in oil
> > > > >prices has underlined the potential increased cost competitiveness of
> > > > >energy and raw materials produced from biomass. The report considers
> >that
> > > > >financial incentives for bioproducts, currently used in many countries,
> > > > >should be avoided as they distort markets and lead to a long term
> > > > >dependency on subsidies. Agriculture as a whole is under pressure to
> > > > >reduce overall support levels and establish carefully targeted policies
> > > > >and market-based approaches. Similarly, the report argues against
> > > > >subsidies favouring the use of fossil fuels. According to the report,
> > > > >long-term strategies should be developed that recognise the potential
> >of
> > > > >local resources and encourage the establishment of bio-refineries to
> > > > >recycle a range of farm by-products in addition to using grains,
> >oilseeds
> > > > >and sugar ..." - The complete text of the news release is posted at
> > > >
> > ><http://www.oecd.org/document/63/0,2340,en_2649_33791_33701567_1_1_1_1,00.h
> >tml>http://www.oecd.org/document/63/0,2340,en_2649_33791_33701567_1_1_1_1,00
> >.html
> > > > >- The report is posted at
> > > >
> > ><http://webdomino1.oecd.org/comnet/agr/BiomassAg.nsf>http://webdomino1.oecd
> >.org/comnet/agr/BiomassAg.nsf
> > > > >- OECD is the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, a
> > > > >group of 30 member countries sharing a commitment to democratic
> >government
> > > > >and the market economy - Its work covers economic and social issues
> >from
> > > > >macroeconomics, to trade, education, development and science and
> > > > >innovation - The OECD produces internationally agreed instruments,
> > > > >decisions and recommendations to promote rules of the game in areas
> >where
> > > > >multilateral agreement is necessary for individual countries to make
> > > > >progress in a globalised economy - Information about OECD is posted at
> > > >
> > ><http://www.oecd.org/about/0,2337,en_2649_201185_1_1_1_1_1,00.html>http://w
> >ww.oecd.org/about/0,2337,en_2649_201185_1_1_1_1_1,00.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >http://www.oecd.org/document/63/0,2340,en_2649_33791_33701567_1_1_1_1,00.ht
> >ml
> > > > >
> > > > >Amid Volatile Oil Prices OECD Report Calls for Policy Changes to
> >Promote
> > > > >Biomass
> > > > >
> > > > >06/09/2004 - Plants and animal waste could become viable alternatives
> >to
> > > > >fossil fuels in providing energy and materials if governments changed
> > > > >strategies, according to a new OECD report out today.
> > > > >
> > > > >Instead of offering financial incentives or subsidies to stimulate the
> >use
> > > > >of such organic material, known as "biomass", governments should
> >encourage
> > > > >technical innovation as a way of narrowing the price gap with oil and
> >gas
> > > > >products. This would stimulate demand and boost the supply of
> >bioproducts.
> > > > >Indeed, the recent volatility in oil prices has underlined the
> >potential
> > > > >increased cost competitiveness of energy and raw materials produced
> >from
> > > > >biomass.
> > > > >
> > > > >The report considers that financial incentives for bioproducts,
> >currently
> > > > >used in many countries, should be avoided as they distort markets and
> >lead
> > > > >to a long term dependency on subsidies. Agriculture as a whole is under
> > > > >pressure to reduce overall support levels and establish carefully
> >targeted
> > > > >policies and market-based approaches. Similarly, the report argues
> >against
> > > > >subsidies favouring the use of fossil fuels.
> > > > >
> > > > >According to the report, long-term strategies should be developed that
> > > > >recognise the potential of local resources and encourage the
> >establishment
> > > > >of bio-refineries to recycle a range of farm by-products in addition to
> > > > >using grains, oilseeds and sugar. Such complexes would be capable of
> > > > >producing both energy and materials derived not only from annual crops
> >but
> > > > >also grass, short rotation trees, cereal straws and other by-products.
> > > > >
> > > > >The report, Biomass and agriculture: sustainability, markets and
> >policies,
> > > > >comprising a series of papers presented by international experts,
> >argues
> > > > >that a significant shift could take place this century from a fossil
> >fuel
> > > > >to a biomass-based economy. To aid this process it suggests creating
> > > > >carbon markets which would provide credits to biomass producers for
> > > > >displacing fossil fuels.
> > > > >
> > > > >The report also reveals that:
> > > > >
> > > > >The prices of some niche market bioproducts such as plastics derived
> >from
> > > > >arable crops are already competitive with certain petroleum-based
> > > > >plastics. The car industry, for example, is making increasing use of
> > > > >bioplastics.
> > > > >
> > > > >Around 7% of heat generation and 1% of total electricity in OECD
> >countries
> > > > >is provided by agricultural bioenergy. In developing countries an
> > > > >estimated 25% of total energy demand is met by biomass, principally in
> >the
> > > > >form of firewood and animal dung.
> > > > >
> > > > >Because bioethanol, produced from sugar and grains, can be used in
> > > > >existing engines with little modification, it is easier to exploit than
> > > > >other alternative transportation fuels such as hydrogen.
> > > > >
> > > > >The report calls for international standards and codes of practice to
> >be
> > > > >established for biomass products to ensure that greenhouse gas
> >emissions
> > > > >are reduced and environmental benefits are maximised. A better
> >assessment
> > > > >of costs and benefits taking into account economic, environmental and
> > > > >social aspects is therefore needed. It adds that clear lines of
> > > > >communication should be established between the suppliers, processors
> >and
> > > > >potential users. Also, public education campaigns about the biomass
> >sector
> > > > >should be developed.
> > > > >
> > > > >Journalists may obtain a copy of the report from the OECD's Media
> > > > >Relations Division (tel: + 33 1 45 24 97 00). For further information
> >see
> > > > >the OECD website at www.oecd.org/agr/env, or contact Kevin Parris,
> >OECD's
> > > > >Food, Agriculture and Fisheries Directorate (tel: +33 1 45 24 95 68).
> > > > >
> > > > >END
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >The above information was sent to you by:
> > > > >
> > > > >Jack L. Cooper
> > > > >Food Industry Environmental Network
> > > > >33 Falling Creek Court
> > > > >Silver Spring, Maryland 20904
> > > > >Phone: 301 384 8287 --- Fax: 301 384 8340
> > > > >E- Mail: JLC@no.address
> > > > >WWW: http://www.fien.com
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