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RE: Fwd: RE: [GreenYes] Scientific Breakthrough Liberates Energy Users from Fossil Fuel Dependence
The beauty of skepticism:  If it turns out to be a scam, you can say "I told you so."  If it turns out to be a breakthrough, you can say "one can never be too careful."

The downside is if it is a scam, a few people might get rich, it will soon go away,  and we will never hear about it again.  If it is a breakthrough, it will be bought out by Exxon, a few people might get rich, it will soon go away, and we will never hear about it again.  (Now that is a cynic speaking.)
 
good weekend.  -Phil P

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephan Pollard [mailto:sp@cast.uark.edu]
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:30 PM
To: e cooney
Cc: greenyes@grrn.org
Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: [GreenYes] Scientific Breakthrough Liberates
Energy Users from Fossil Fuel Dependence


Yep.  As the feller says ... If it something sounds too good to be true
then ...




e cooney wrote:

> Thoughts on the posted Energy Press Release...
>
> --- Michael Poremba <michael_poremba@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > From: "Michael Poremba" <michael_poremba@yahoo.com>
> > To: "'e cooney'" <edc10000@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: RE: [GreenYes] Scientific Breakthrough
> > Liberates Energy Users from Fossil Fuel  Dependence
> > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:01:53 -0800
> >
> > Other people are also suspicious.
> >
> > http://www.h2eco.org/wwwboard/messages/1469.htm
> >
> http://www.evworld.com/databases/shownews.cfm?pageid=news071202-01
> > http://www.idahostatesman.com/story.asp?ID=27402
> >
> > Here's the explanation from their web site:
> > http://www.genesisworldenergy.org/process_grfx.htm
> >
> > Sounds fishy. Here're my reasons why
> >
> > (1) They refer to the comments of water molecules as
> > molecules rather
> > than as atoms. A molecule is two or more atoms. They
> > are supposed to be
> > separating out the hydrogen and oxygen atoms from
> > water. The atoms then
> > combine into molecules (H^2 and O^2). So their
> > diagram should show
> > storage of pairs of atoms (combined as gas
> > molecules) in a two-to-one
> > ratio. They instead show the storage of gas as
> > atoms. Their diagram was
> > obviously not created by scientists.
> >
> > (2) It's headed by someone who used to be in
> > insurance sales. I bet
> > they'd like to set you up with a policy, too. A
> > package deal.
> >
> > (3) Separating water into hydrogen and oxygen
> > generally requires a lot
> > of energy. They claim that they accomplish this with
> > the help of a
> > catalytic-electrical process that uses very little
> > energy. Unless
> > they've developed some new trick, very doubtful.
> >
> > (4) Produces hydrogen to replace your residential
> > natural gas? Yeah,
> > right. What if I don't use all the gas it's
> > producing? There's no
> > auxiliary hydrogen storage, and no pump to maintain
> > good gas pressure.
> >
> > "...the only mechanical aspects of the Edison Device
> > are the small
> > circulation pumps and micro-valves that control the
> > flow of water and
> > gases." -- Taken from their technology overview.
> >
> > Maybe this thing just kicks on when the gas line
> > pressure dips? Uh-huh.
> >
> > (5) They say heat is converted into electricity
> > inside. Traditionally,
> > you need to run some kind of generator to do this.
> > It would be noisy.
> >
> > (6) Their text sounds like it was written by a
> > greeting card company.
> > Check this out:
> >
> > "By early 2001, a team of over 400 visionaries from
> > a wide spectrum of
> > disciplines, including science, technology and
> > engineering, was
> > assembled to crack the scientific and technological
> > breakthroughs
> > necessary to make this technology possible. This
> > team of dedicated men
> > and women who have very diverse ethnic, religious
> > and political
> > backgrounds were able to set aside their differences
> > for the common
> > benefit of mankind. But it isn't the recognition,
> > fame or fortune that
> > motivated the Genesis team to pursue this challenge.
> > In fact, they
> > desire to remain in the background, letting the
> > technology receive the
> > attention. Rather, it is their passion to make a
> > positive difference in
> > the world that compels them."
> >
> > Top-secret scientists. Uh-huh. Right.
> >
> > (7) The founders are from New Jersey. That link to
> > an article at the
> > Idaho Statesman includes a tiny captioned photo of
> > the three family
> > members behind this project. Take a close look at
> > them. In this little
> > photo of them, I'm reminded of the WWF. How about
> > you?
> >
> > I say, don't knock out a wall in your new house for
> > one of these things
> > quite yet.
> >
> > --Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: e cooney [mailto:edc10000@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:33 PM
> > To: Michael Poremba
> > Subject: Fwd: [GreenYes] Scientific Breakthrough
> > Liberates Energy Users
> > from Fossil Fuel Dependence
> >
> > What do you think? Half sounds like a spoof... Heard
> > anything on it from other sources (seems like it
> > should be all over the news).
> >
> > --- Stephan Pollard <sp@cast.uark.edu> wrote:
> > > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:00:05 -0600
> > > From: Stephan Pollard <sp@cast.uark.edu>
> > > To: Green Yes <greenyes@grrn.org>
> > > Subject: [GreenYes] Scientific Breakthrough
> > > Liberates Energy Users from Fossil Fuel
> > >  Dependence
> > >
> > > Though folks might be interested in this press
> > > release found on E-WIRE.
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.ewire-news.com/wires/C757AA38-AA19-45AE-8E0A3F2838562317.htm
> > >
> > > --

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