RE: [GreenYes] glass recovery from commingled curbside program

["Chris Cloutier" <chris@e4partners.com>]

There is a strong emphasis in this thread being placed simply on collection
methods and costs. That is as incomplete a view of recycling as is
suggesting the price per ton at a landfill is the cost of disposal.

There are problems with the collection of glass that can be mitigated
through the collection system/methods and technological solutions at the
back-end. But given Bob's cogent analysis of the benefits of recycling
glass, I'd be interested to hear if there is compelling reason NOT to
collect glass at the curbside. If there are, are these reasons that are
specific to the material or the collection system?

Besides the benefits of glass-to-glass and glass as ceramic that Bob laid
out, there are also real benefits to using glass as an aggregate additive in
roadbase. In rock-poor areas, it can save on raw material costs by up to $10
a ton, it reduces the mining of aggregate and it has structural benefits in
terms of how the aggregate "lays down" with the grader.






Chris Cloutier
e4 partners, inc.
2801 21st Ave S
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55407
612.278.7140
612.278.7141 (f)
www.e4partners.com

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-greenyes@grrn.org [mailto:owner-greenyes@grrn.org]On Behalf Of
Susan Hubbard
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 12:11 PM
To: eric@ecocycle.org; michele@raymond.com
Cc: greenyes@grrn.org; shammer@wastesaver.com
Subject: Re: [GreenYes] glass recovery from commingled curbside program

Are you folks familiar with the expression 'highest and best use?" Glass is
more than heavy - it is a highly recyclable packaging material. For all of
the sermons I've read on this list about dealing with these issues on the
front end - in the design of the product...we have now come to the
conclusion that glass has less value than plastic (a very difficult material
to recycle) so let's just dump it.

What is it we are are being asked to do or believe?

zero waste from design or the easiest things to recycle and everything else
goes in the trash?




Susan Hubbard
President/CEO
Eureka Recycling ( a non profit organization
created by the Neighborhood Energy Consortium)
624 Selby Ave.
Saint Paul, MN  55104
651/222-7678
Fax: 651/221-9831

>>> Eric Lombardi <eric@ecocycle.org> 03/13/02 09:39AM >>>
Hi Michele,

You're a brave woman to say this ... and it makes me wonder if its true?
Can anyone out there make a "compelling environmental reason" to collect
curbside glass?   The key statement here is "curbside" as opposed to
recycling glass through drop-off centers.

Eric Lombardi
EcoCycle

Michele Raymond wrote:

> It may be heavy, but there is no compelling environmental reason to
collect
> glass curbside.
>
> They should try to collect plastic and aluminum,as they have higher
> value.  Just a personal observation
> Glass contaminates other streams too.
> Michele Raymond
>
> At 03:24 PM 3/12/02 -0500, Steve Hammer wrote:
> >As you're probably aware, NYC is in the thick of a debate over its metal
> >glass and plastic recycling program.
> >
> >One of the most contentious issues is what to do about glass -- the city
> >claims that markets have essentially disappeared, and now simply counts
all
> >glass collected as part of the 40% residue rate coming out of the
processing
> >facilities that sort the material.
> >
> >Obviously, part of the problem is the way it's collected and processed --
> >compacted in a packer truck, dumped onto a concrete floor, and then
jostled
> >on a conveyor belt to a picking line.  Very little remains intact.
> >
> >I'm interested in learning more about the markets that other (preferably
> >large) cities have found for their material.  Using Chaz Miller's Waste
Age
> >profile from a few months ago, are we destined to low value applications
> >(fill, cover replacement, glassphalt)?
> >
> >What steps have other cities taken to ensure they have a marketable
cullet?
> >Are redemption centers or curbside sorting the only way to achieve a
> >marketable material?
> >
> >Thanks for any feedback you can provide.
> >
> >
> >Steve Hammer
> >(w) 212-645-9912
> >shammer@wastesaver.com
> >
> >
> >
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