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Hi Becca,

There's no way you could have known this & it'll be interesting to see what
the GreenYes folks
come up with, but generally on a topic like this that may have EPA
regulations/environmental
requirements, it's preferable to do initial research internally and on the
web instead of asking the
listserve.  We mostly use the listserve to keep up to date on what's going
on & to make announcements
about new EPA documents, websites, etc.  For questions that may involve
disposal of hazardous
waste (toners, cleaners, etc.), the best contacts are:

     Cheryl Nelson 4-2128
     Carol Weinstein 2-2072 (+ Household Hazardous Waste Questions)

Thanks for working on this!



                                                                                                          
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greenyes-d Digest                                        Volume 01 : Issue
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Today's Topics:
  Re: [GreenYes] unimog                                      [ "Mike Morrow"
<mmorrow@together.net> ]
  [GreenYes] Cans to Cars                                      [ "Bruce,Jr E
Arkwright" <a-bruiexjr@lycos.com> ]
  [GreenYes] Photocopier toner - how to dispose of?                      [
Duckworth.Rebecca@epamail.epa.gov ]
  Re: greenyes-d Digest V01 #101
[ "Frank Nickerson" <fn1999@erols.com> ]
  [GreenYes] SW Mgt. Policy                                      [ "Mike
Morrow" <mmorrow@together.net> ]

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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:35:27 -0400
From: "Mike Morrow" <mmorrow@together.net>
To: "Bantillo, Stephen" <Stephen.Bantillo@ci.sj.ca.us>,
        "'Tim Krupnik'" <tim@ecologycenter.org>,
        "multiple recipients of" <greenyes@earthsystems.org>
Subject: Re: [GreenYes] unimog
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Do you ever get the feeling that your standing in front of a juggernaut =
(unimog, 4-wheelers, Bush, global warming, etc. ) and you re about to be =
run down? =20
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Bantillo, Stephen <Stephen.Bantillo@ci.sj.ca.us>
    To: 'Tim Krupnik' <tim@ecologycenter.org>; multiple recipients of =
<greenyes@earthsystems.org>
    Date: Monday, April 02, 2001 6:02 PM
    Subject: RE: [GreenYes] unimog
   =20
   =20
    I agree ....and disagree.  I'm not placing sole blame on the =
"public."  In a strictly profit motivated sense, companies market =
products they think people will buy.  In this case, we have a =
well-established company (that builds a good product for utilitarian =
purposes) that has identified an opportunity to enter a niche market by =
capitalizing on people's fascination with the SUV and the power =
mentality associated with "bigger is better" that interferes with their =
decision making process.  I still see people as the problem because it's =
"people" working for profit-minded companies who influence people to =
spend money on things "they've just got to have."  I suppose there is a =
fine line between the chicken and the egg, but I think in this case =
what's needed is enough people (purchasers) to just say no.  And it's up =
to those of us in our field to do our best to educate them on making =
responsible choices and hope that the manufacturers hear us and that =
markets/products then follow.  While I understand this isn't the right =
answer for everybody, I hope that my point about people, as producer and =
consumer, is clearer.
    d8) =20

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Tim Krupnik [mailto:tim@ecologycenter.org]
        Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 11:45 AM
        To: multiple recipients of
        Subject: RE: [GreenYes] unimog
       =20
       =20
       =20
       =20
       =20
               =20

                While I see your point, I would have to disagree that =
"the problem is....people." From what I've seen, the Unimog has been =
specifically marketed to the general public. In this sense, it's been =
fetishized as just another product that the "public" has "got to have."=20

       =20
       =20
                Such a vehicle may have great utilitarian uses, but the =
cat of the matter is that SUV's and landrovers in general have been =
marketed to the suburban/.urban dweller and I'd be willing to bet my =
life's savings that Manufacturers don't care about utilitarian =
purposes-- they just want to sell, sell sell.=20

       =20
       =20
                When are we going to start holding MANUFACTURERS =
responsible for the problems they create and then willingly MARKET, =
instead of blaming solely the public?=20

       =20
       =20
       =20
       =20
        Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:27:51 -0400=20

        From: "Bantillo, Stephen" <Stephen.Bantillo@ci.sj.ca.us>=20

        To: "'Amy Perlmutter'" <amyp@chelseacenter.org>,=20

        multiple recipients of=20

                <greenyes@earthsystems.org>=20

        Subject: RE: [GreenYes] unimog=20

        Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:34:23 -0700=20

        Resent-From: greenyes@earthsystems.org=20

        Resent-Sender: greenyes-request@earthsystems.org=20

        Resent-To: multiple recipients of <greenyes@earthsystems.org>=20

       =20
       =20
        Unimog is not a new vehicle. It was created around 1946 out of a =
desire to=20

        have a more useful agricultural implement. Over the years the =
Unimog has=20

        been pressed into municipal, forest, and industrial operations =
due to its=20

        adaptability and cost-saving utilitarian features. It has served =
duty as=20

        abulances, radio/communications, street sweepers, and a host of =
other=20

        useful/necessary vehicles. And not all Unimogs are behemoth in =
nature. An=20

        earlier model with a wheelbase considerably shorter than the =
current=20

        "popular" Jeep models was available, and Unimog continues to =
make=20

        liliputian-sized vehicles based on customer demand. Basically, =
the size and=20

        design of Unimogs changes based on customers' wants and "needs". =
Do I like=20

        the vehicles? Sure I do, from a utilitarian standpoint. The =
problem that=20

        arises is when the customers start demanding them for use as=20

        grocery-getters, shopping mall hogs, or other forms of personal=20

        transporation. (If people want something bigger than the Ford =
Excursion,=20

        then they should buy an Excavator.) The point is, these Unimogs =
are=20

        well-built and purpose-built vehicles and get their jobs done in =
an=20

        efficient manner. The problem isn't the vehicle or its =
manufacturer, it's=20

        people.=20

       =20
       =20
       =20
        d8)=20

       =20
       =20
       =20
        -----Original Message-----=20

        From: Amy Perlmutter [mailto:amyp@chelseacenter.org]=20

        Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 10:45 AM=20

        To: multiple recipients of=20

        Subject: [GreenYes] unimog=20

       =20
       =20
       =20
        For those of you who are Car Talk fans and/or hate SUV's, Car =
Talk is=20

        having a contest to give the new behomoth, the Unimog, a more =
appropriate=20

        name. To vote, go to the following link:=20

       =20
       =20
        http://cartalk.cars.com/About/Unimog/Naming-Contest/ballot.html=20

       =20
       =20
       =20
       =20
       =20
        Amy Perlmutter=20

        Executive Director=20

        Chelsea Center for Recycling and=20

        Economic Development=20

        University of Massachusetts=20

        180 Second Street=20

        Chelsea, MA 02150=20

        617-887-2300/fax 617-887-0399=20

        visit our web site at www.chelseacenter.org=20

       =20
       =20
       =20
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        Tim Krupnik=20

        Plastics Education Coordinator=20

        Berkeley Ecology Center=20

        1231 Second St.=20

        Berkeley Ca. 94710=20

        510-527-5555=20

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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Do you ever get the feeling that =
your standing=20
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) and=20
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>-----Original =
Message-----</B><BR><B>From:=20
    </B>Bantillo, Stephen &lt;<A=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:Stephen.Bantillo@ci.sj.ca.us";>Stephen.Bantillo@ci.sj.ca.us=
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multiple=20
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    =
href=3D"mailto:greenyes@earthsystems.org";>greenyes@earthsystems.org</A>&g=
t;<BR><B>Date:=20
    </B>Monday, April 02, 2001 6:02 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>RE: [GreenYes]=20
    unimog<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#800080><SPAN class=3D666240222-02042001>I agree =
....and=20
    disagree.&nbsp; I'm not&nbsp;<SPAN =
class=3D858475622-02042001>pl</SPAN><SPAN=20
    class=3D858475622-02042001>acing sole </SPAN>blam<SPAN=20
    class=3D858475622-02042001>e on</SPAN> the&nbsp;<SPAN=20
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    class=3D858475622-02042001>.</SPAN><SPAN=20
    class=3D858475622-02042001>&quot;</SPAN>&nbsp;<SPAN =
class=3D858475622-02042001>=20
    </SPAN><SPAN class=3D858475622-02042001>In a s</SPAN><SPAN=20
    class=3D858475622-02042001>trictly profit motivated =
sense</SPAN><SPAN=20
    class=3D858475622-02042001>,=20
    =
c</SPAN>ompanies&nbsp;market&nbsp;products&nbsp;they&nbsp;think&nbsp;peop=
le=20
    w<SPAN class=3D858475622-02042001>ill buy</SPAN>.&nbsp;&nbsp;In this =
case, we=20
    have&nbsp;a well-established company (that builds a good product for =

    utilitarian purposes) that has&nbsp;<SPAN=20
    class=3D858475622-02042001>identified</SPAN> an opportunity to=20
    enter&nbsp;<SPAN class=3D858475622-02042001>a</SPAN> niche market by =

    capitalizing on&nbsp;<SPAN=20
    class=3D858475622-02042001>people's</SPAN>&nbsp;fascination with the =
SUV and=20
    the power mentality associated with &quot;bigger is =
better&quot;&nbsp;<SPAN=20
    class=3D858475622-02042001>that </SPAN>interferes with their =
decision making=20
    process.&nbsp; I still see people as the problem because=20
    it's&nbsp;&quot;people&quot; working for profit-minded companies who =

    influence people to spend money on things &quot;they've just got to=20
    have.&quot;&nbsp; I&nbsp;<SPAN =
class=3D858475622-02042001>suppose</SPAN> there=20
    is a fine line between the chicken and the egg, but&nbsp;I think in =
this=20
    case what's needed is enough people<SPAN class=3D858475622-02042001> =

    (</SPAN><SPAN class=3D858475622-02042001>purchasers)</SPAN> to just =
say=20
    no.&nbsp; And it's up to those of us in our&nbsp;field to do our =
best to=20
    educate them&nbsp;on making responsible choices and hope that =
the&nbsp;<SPAN=20
    class=3D858475622-02042001>manufacturers hear us and th</SPAN><SPAN=20
    class=3D858475622-02042001>at </SPAN>markets<SPAN=20
    class=3D858475622-02042001>/products</SPAN>&nbsp;<SPAN=20
    class=3D858475622-02042001>then</SPAN> follow.&nbsp; While I =
understand=20
    this&nbsp;isn't the right answer for everybody, I hope that my point =
about=20
    people, as producer and consumer, is clearer<SPAN=20
    class=3D858475622-02042001>.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV><FONT =
color=3D#800080>
    <P><B><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
size=3D4>d8)</FONT></B>&nbsp;</FONT></FONT>=20
    </P></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
        <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir =3D ltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
        size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tim Krupnik=20
        [mailto:tim@ecologycenter.org]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 02, =
2001=20
        11:45 AM<BR><B>To:</B> multiple recipients of<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
RE:=20
        [GreenYes] unimog<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><BR><BR>
        <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </P>
        <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT =
face=3DAlbertus_Medium=20
        size=3D5>While I see your point, I would have to disagree that =
&quot;the=20
        problem is....people.&quot; From what I've seen, the Unimog has =
been=20
        specifically marketed to the general public. In this sense, it's =
been=20
        fetishized as just another product that the &quot;public&quot; =
has=20
        &quot;got to have.&quot; </FONT></P><BR>
        <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT =
face=3DAlbertus_Medium=20
        size=3D5>Such a vehicle may have great utilitarian uses, but the =
cat of=20
        the matter is that SUV's and landrovers in general have been =
marketed to=20
        the suburban/.urban dweller and I'd be willing to bet my life's =
savings=20
        that Manufacturers don't care about utilitarian purposes-- they =
just=20
        want to sell, sell sell. </FONT></P><BR>
        <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT =
face=3DAlbertus_Medium=20
        size=3D5>When are we going to start holding MANUFACTURERS =
responsible for=20
        the problems they create and then willingly MARKET, instead of =
blaming=20
        solely the public? </FONT></P><BR><BR><BR>
        <P>Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:27:51 -0400 </P>
        <P>From: &quot;Bantillo, Stephen&quot;=20
        &lt;Stephen.Bantillo@ci.sj.ca.us&gt; </P>
        <P>To: &quot;'Amy Perlmutter'&quot; =
&lt;amyp@chelseacenter.org&gt;, </P>
        <P>multiple recipients of </P>
        <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        &lt;greenyes@earthsystems.org&gt; </P>
        <P>Subject: RE: [GreenYes] unimog </P>
        <P>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:34:23 -0700 </P>
        <P>Resent-From: greenyes@earthsystems.org </P>
        <P>Resent-Sender: greenyes-request@earthsystems.org </P>
        <P>Resent-To: multiple recipients of =
&lt;greenyes@earthsystems.org&gt;=20
        </P><BR>
        <P>Unimog is not a new vehicle. It was created around 1946 out =
of a=20
        desire to </P>
        <P>have a more useful agricultural implement. Over the years the =
Unimog=20
        has </P>
        <P>been pressed into municipal, forest, and industrial =
operations due to=20
        its </P>
        <P>adaptability and cost-saving utilitarian features. It has =
served duty=20
        as </P>
        <P>abulances, radio/communications, street sweepers, and a host =
of other=20
        </P>
        <P>useful/necessary vehicles. And not all Unimogs are behemoth =
in=20
        nature. An </P>
        <P>earlier model with a wheelbase considerably shorter than the =
current=20
        </P>
        <P>&quot;popular&quot; Jeep models was available, and Unimog =
continues=20
        to make </P>
        <P>liliputian-sized vehicles based on customer demand. =
Basically, the=20
        size and </P>
        <P>design of Unimogs changes based on customers' wants and=20
        &quot;needs&quot;. Do I like </P>
        <P>the vehicles? Sure I do, from a utilitarian standpoint. The =
problem=20
        that </P>
        <P>arises is when the customers start demanding them for use as =
</P>
        <P>grocery-getters, shopping mall hogs, or other forms of =
personal </P>
        <P>transporation. (If people want something bigger than the Ford =

        Excursion, </P>
        <P>then they should buy an Excavator.) The point is, these =
Unimogs are=20
        </P>
        <P>well-built and purpose-built vehicles and get their jobs done =
in an=20
        </P>
        <P>efficient manner. The problem isn't the vehicle or its =
manufacturer,=20
        it's </P>
        <P>people. </P><BR><BR>
        <P>d8) </P><BR><BR>
        <P>-----Original Message----- </P>
        <P>From: Amy Perlmutter [mailto:amyp@chelseacenter.org] </P>
        <P>Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 10:45 AM </P>
        <P>To: multiple recipients of </P>
        <P>Subject: [GreenYes] unimog </P><BR><BR>
        <P>For those of you who are Car Talk fans and/or hate SUV's, Car =
Talk is=20
        </P>
        <P>having a contest to give the new behomoth, the Unimog, a more =

        appropriate </P>
        <P>name. To vote, go to the following link: </P><BR>
        =
<P>http://cartalk.cars.com/About/Unimog/Naming-Contest/ballot.html=20
        </P><BR><BR><BR><BR>
        <P>Amy Perlmutter </P>
        <P>Executive Director </P>
        <P>Chelsea Center for Recycling and </P>
        <P>Economic Development </P>
        <P>University of Massachusetts </P>
        <P>180 Second Street </P>
        <P>Chelsea, MA 02150 </P>
        <P>617-887-2300/fax 617-887-0399 </P>
        <P>visit our web site at www.chelseacenter.org </P><BR><BR>
        <P>***************************************************** </P>
        <P>To post to the greenyes list, send a letter to: </P>
        <P>greenyes@earthsystems.org </P>
        <P>To unsubscribe, send a message to: </P>
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        <P>unsubscribe. If you have any problems, please </P>
        <P>write to www@earthsystems.org. </P>
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        <P>Tim Krupnik </P>
        <P>Plastics Education Coordinator </P>
        <P>Berkeley Ecology Center </P>
        <P>1231 Second St. </P>
        <P>Berkeley Ca. 94710 </P>
        <P>510-527-5555 </P>
        <P>FAX 510-526-7995 </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:01:05 -0400
From: "Bruce,Jr E Arkwright" <a-bruiexjr@lycos.com>
To: greenyes@earthsystems.org
Subject: [GreenYes] Cans to Cars
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       O.K.   let us use the  weight of the Insight, 818 kg (1800 lbs.).
                              --Bruce E. Arkwright, Jr.

           A Solar day not used is an Energy Resource wasted.



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Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:58:02 -0700
From: Duckworth.Rebecca@epamail.epa.gov
To: greenyes@earthsystems.org
Subject: [GreenYes] Photocopier toner - how to dispose of?
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----- Forwarded by Rebecca Duckworth/R9/USEPA/US on 04/03/2001 11:52 AM
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Hello Greenyes!  I have a question posed by the woman in the email below:
How to dispose of old photocopier toner in an environmentally-friendly
way???
Thanks for any info!
Rebecca

Rebecca Lee Duckworth
Environmental Protection Specialist
US EPA, Region 9
(415) 744-2095


----- Forwarded by Heidi Hall/R9/USEPA/US on 04/02/01 04:53 PM -----

                    WENDY.NETTLES@CUSTOMS

                    .TREAS.GOV                   To:     Heidi
Hall/R9/USEPA/US@EPA
                                                 cc:

                    04/02/01 01:34 PM            Subject:     Photocopier
toner
                    Please respond to

                    WENDY.NETTLES







     Hello Heidi,

     We have toner for a 1989 Ricoh 4430 photocopier we excessed 3 years
     ago.  Can you tell me how I can dispose of the toner?  This has been a

     burning question for me for years.  I appreciate your help.


     Wendy Nettles, Inv. Asst.
     U.S. Customs Service
     Resident Agent in Charge
     2420 Vista Way, Ste. 208
     Oceanside, CA 92054
     760/722-6616 ext. 410

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Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 12:06:07 -0700
From: "Frank Nickerson" <fn1999@erols.com>
To: greenyes@earthsystems.org
Subject: Re: greenyes-d Digest V01 #101
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I do know Christine McCoy - I have known her for about 2 years and have r=
ead her posts on my local community listserv for at least that long.

Christine is my neighbor and she makes a huge personal commitment and sac=
rifice for the environment.  This is the third year in a row that she has=
 personally spearheaded through her force of personality an Earthday proj=
ect to clean-up my neighborhood.  Many who know her would say she does mo=
re for the neighborhood and the environment than anyone else they know, h=
ands down. She does not own a car, but walks, rides her bike, or uses pub=
lic transportation.

I can not recall where Christine worked prior to AF&PA, but she took this=
 job since I met her.  I think she finds it a challenge and an opportunit=
y to lead and be a change agent in an organization that does not always h=
ave the best reputation in environmental social circles.  In her position=
 at AF&AP she has the opportunity to change minds where many decisions ab=
out the environment are made.  I can't say she would always be successful=
 in her efforts (who is?), but I can not fathom Christine being rolled by=
 anyone.  She is polite, but speaks her mind.  She takes action.  I am su=
re her employers know she is an environmentalist.

Frank Nickerson



Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:43:45 EDT=20
From: DavidOrr@aol.com=20
To: greenyes@earthsystems.org=20
Subject: [GreenYes] AF&PA=20
Message-ID: <37.12f71f61.27fa2261@aol.com>=20
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On 4/2/01 9:51 AM, Christine_McCoy@afandpa.org=20
Christine_McCoy@afandpa.org wrote:=20

>In the meantime, you may want to check out=20
>our website for general information on paper and wood recycling.=20


While I don't know Ms. McCoy, nor do I have any reason to doubt her=20
sincerity on a personal level, I would strongly caution all subscribers=20
to this list that the American Forest & Paper Association is the timber=20
industry's mouthpiece and a major obstructive force against forest=20
protection efforts in this country and abroad. To the extent they=20
promote paper and wood recycling, it is as a defensive measure, i.e., to=20
be able to defend against charges that they prefer to cut down trees to=20
promote recycling.=20

If the AF&PA and its member companies cared about recycling, we would=20
have a lot more post-consumer waste recycling in this country. For=20
example, it was back in the early days of the Clinton Administration when=
=20
the white house proposed a minimum PCW content rule for the Government=20
Printing Office. Who shot that down? The AF&PA and some of its biggest=20
member companies.=20

So take what they tell you with a block of salt. I won't be checking=20
their website for any information, other than to see what sort of=20
self-serving propaganda the timber industry puts out on a given day or on=
=20
a given topic.=20

Good luck to Ms. McCoy in her job. It is a serious ethical challenge for=20
an environmentalist to work for the world's biggest advocate for forest=20
destruction.=20

David Orr=20


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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:14:32 -0400
From: "Mike Morrow" <mmorrow@together.net>
To: <greenyes@earthsystems.org>
Subject: [GreenYes] SW Mgt. Policy
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At a recent retreat of my waste district board, it became obvious that =
before decisions were made about program or facility development the =
board needed to understand their roles and responsibilities. We are =
preparing our new 5 and 10 year plan.  I was consequently directed to =
prepare a list of policy statements for them to debate and adopt (or =
not). =20

For instance, a couple of board members have a strong lassez-faire =
attitude and want to shut down our drop-off and other facilities and =
throw the regions waste management program entirely into the lap of the =
private operators.  They feel this will produce the best of all possible =
worlds.  Others feel that we must be more than just educators but have a =
role in guiding, directing and guarranteeing the provision of services =
in the long term.  They are suspicious of all private waste management =
enterprise since money (motivation) is the root of all evil.  =20

EEAAHHH!!  I'm sure this has been done before (right?).  Does anyone =
know of published policy statements by other regional boards?  Any =
ideas?=20

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