FW: [GRRN] seeking info on commercial wet/dry programs

Krueger, David (David.Krueger@ci.sj.ca.us)
Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:31:00 -0700


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To: Eric Lombardi
From: David Krueger
Re: Wet / Dry

Eric, you're not crazy. Wet/dry is definitely worth pursuing. Let's
discuss further.
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From: Krueger, David
To: 'SMTP: Vikky_McArthur@ci.sf.ca.us'
Subject: RE: [GRRN] seeking info on commercial wet/dry programs
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 5:28PM

Vikky -

I am very interested in wet/dry systems. I have been advocating this
approach in San Jose for years. The best place to study wet/dry as far as I
know is the City of Guelph in Ontario Province, Canada. Guelph acheived a
58% diversion rate in 1997. You can contact the Guelph Wet-Dry Recycling
Centre at (519) 767-0598. I gave Barbara Bernardini of SF copies of all of
the wet/dry information that I have.

I think that with a Wet/Dry system for both commercial and residential, San
Jose could achieve 65%-75% diversion (we have more yard trimmings than
Guelph due to a year-round growing season.) San Jose has a population of
900,000.

The key to the wet/dry system seems to be having a reliable and economical
composting system for the "wet" portion. We are performing two pilot
programs this year in San Jose that should move us in that direction.
Both pilots are for composting commercial food waste.

The Newby Island landfill (BFI) in North San Jose is going to compost food
waste using two different systems: The in-vessel Comptainer system from
Green Mountain Technologies and an open aerated static pile system. The
Z-Best composting facility in Gilroy will be composting commercial food
waste from San Jose using the in-vessel Ag-Bag system. Both companies are
going to start out composting produce waste from grocery stores, but then
experiment with other feedstocks. Z-Best and its sister company, GreenWaste
Recovery hope to expand on their pilot and develop a front-loader route
collecting organics such as food waste, yard trimmings, waxed corrugated
cardboard, and non-recyclable paper from grocery stores, restaurants,
landscapers, florists and other San Jose businesses with significant amounts
of "wet" compostable waste.

On the "Dry" side, one of our local haulers, GT Waste Systems, is currently
doing a pilot commercial program for us. They are using selective routing
to collect all "dry" waste in the same truck, and then sorting out the dry
waste at their MRF. The customers aren't asked to separate wet from dry.
Instead, only those customers with inherently "dry" waste streams are
collected on the targeted route. It is invisible to the customer. So far
the recovery hasn't been that great, maybe 30%. Some of this is due to
oddities in the waste stream: The last load GTWaste sorted contained a
large amount of glass windows and carpeting. As we get more data, I'll
gladly share it with you.

The impetus behind both of these programs is "tax breaks". San Jose
charges commercial franchise fees based on the volume of garbage service
provided to businesses. We do not charge these fees on recyclables. We are
going to waive the fees on organics collected for composting. We may also
waive the fees on "dry" waste that is taken to a MRF, provided that a
significant portion of the waste is recovered. Material that is recycled or
composted also avoids a $13 per ton tax at San Jose landfills. We have an
open-market system for commercial hauling in San Jose.

San Jose has a really cheap tip fee for disposal of residential waste at the
Newby Island landfill. I think the main stumbling block to residential
wet/dry collection here is that composting the "wet" portion may prove to be
more expensive than landfilling it.

I am very impressed with San Francisco's "Fantastic Three" pilot that
collects recyclables/garbage/organics (including food waste, yard trimmings,
and non-recyclable paper.) It's the closest thing to wet/dry I've seen in
the U.S. Do you have any plans to pilot a two-stream program?

Eric Lombardi is not the only "seeker" out there. I too have wondered why
this hasn't caught on outside of Ontario Provence.

David Krueger
(408) 277-5533
david.krueger@ci.sj.ca.us
or
ekndknsj@aol.com
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From: Lacaze, Skip
To: Krueger, David
Subject: FW: [GRRN] seeking info on commercial wet/dry programs
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 1:46PM

FYI
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From: Eric Lombardi <
To: Vikky_McArthur@ci.sf.ca.us
Cc: CRRA@ucsd.edu; Recycle@envirolink.org; DEGEARE.TRUETT@epamail.epa.gov;
JGwaste@aol.com; jtruini@crain.com; johnarmando@raischco.com;
dpw180@co.santa-cruz.ca.us; elombard@ix.netcom.com; dkies@harding.com;
sjccdorsey@earthlink.net; koplow@indecon.com; muirjulie@aol.com;
margaret_rands@qmgate.pln.co.santa-clara.ca.us;
debbie.devine@city.virginia-beach.va.us; lawrecyc@ccia.com;
hsanborn@CIWMB.ca.gov; LAPVP@aol.com; lynchm@metro.dst.or.us;
bplatt@ilsr.org; pligon@tellus.org; brantley@ci.monterey.ca.us;
bjmurphy@cmc.net; greg.warren@mail.co.ventura.ca.us; ddryer@menlopark.org;
recycle@toxicsaction.org; jerecycl@aol.com; Norm.Schiferl@co.ramsey.mn.us;
mwhittlesey@co.slo.ca.us; Laura_Yates@co.st-louis.mo.us;
Brooke.Nash@state.ma.us
Subject: Re: [GRRN] seeking info on commercial wet/dry programs
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 12:37PM

Greetings Vikky and everybody else,

I have been researching wet/dry for years. Not real
hard, mind you, but pretty consistently ... and my
interest continues to grow. And every once in a while
I run across another "seeker" like Vikky here, and I
tell them what I know, then they disappear.

Why? Wet/Dry looks so damn good on paper, why isn't it
taking the world by storm?

I would like to start a small email dialogue with this
group about wet/dry.... I recognize some of your names,
and this is a great brain-trust to start with.

Also, Vikky, you should call me (303) 444-6634, and we
can talk about how far you've gotten in researching...
and what your goals are here.

Well anyone, are Vikky and I crazy for pursuing this?

Eric Lombardi
EcoCycle
BOulder, CO.

At 09:24 AM 7/21/99, Vikky_McArthur@ci.sf.ca.us wrote:
> I'm looking for information on commercial commingled (wet/dry)
> recycling programs in medium to large cities (populations over
> 200,000). If anyone out there knows of any programs fitting this
> description, please email me. I'm especially interested in their
> cost/workability/diversion attained, etc.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Vikky McArthur
> San Francisco Recycling Program
> vikky_mcarthur@ci.sf.ca.us
>
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FW: [GRRN] seeking info on commercial wet/dry programs

To:  Eric Lombardi
From: David Krueger
Re:  Wet / Dry

Eric,  you're not crazy.   Wet/dry is = definitely worth pursuing.   Let's discuss further.
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From: Krueger, David
To: 'SMTP: Vikky_McArthur@ci.sf.ca.us'
Subject: RE: [GRRN] seeking info on commercial = wet/dry programs
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 5:28PM

Vikky -

I am very interested in wet/dry systems.  I have = been advocating this approach in San Jose for years.  The best = place to study wet/dry as far as I know is the City of Guelph in = Ontario Province, Canada.  Guelph  acheived a 58% diversion = rate in 1997.  You can contact the Guelph Wet-Dry Recycling Centre = at (519) 767-0598.  I gave Barbara Bernardini of SF copies of all = of the wet/dry information that I have.

 I think that with a Wet/Dry system for both = commercial and residential, San Jose could achieve 65%-75% diversion = (we have more yard trimmings than Guelph due to a year-round growing = season.)   San Jose has a population of 900,000.

The key to the wet/dry system seems to be having a = reliable and economical composting system for the "wet" = portion.   We are performing two pilot programs this year in = San Jose that should move us in that direction.    Both = pilots are for composting commercial food waste.

The Newby Island landfill (BFI)  in North San = Jose is going to compost food waste using two different systems: The = in-vessel  Comptainer system from Green Mountain Technologies and = an open aerated static pile system.  The Z-Best composting = facility in Gilroy will be composting commercial food waste from San = Jose using the in-vessel Ag-Bag system.  Both companies are going = to start out composting produce waste from grocery stores, but then = experiment with other feedstocks.  Z-Best and its sister company, = GreenWaste Recovery hope to expand on their pilot and develop a = front-loader route collecting organics such as food waste, yard = trimmings, waxed corrugated cardboard, and non-recyclable paper from = grocery stores, restaurants, landscapers, florists and other San Jose = businesses with significant amounts of "wet"  = compostable waste.

On the "Dry" side, one of our local = haulers, GT Waste Systems, is currently doing a pilot commercial = program for us.  They are using selective routing to collect all = "dry" waste in the same truck, and then sorting out the dry = waste at their MRF.   The customers aren't asked to separate = wet from dry.  Instead, only those customers with inherently = "dry" waste streams are collected on the targeted = route.  It is invisible to the customer.  So far the recovery = hasn't been that great, maybe 30%.  Some of this is due to = oddities in the waste stream:  The last load GTWaste sorted = contained  a large amount of glass windows and = carpeting.   As we get more data, I'll gladly share it with = you.

The impetus behind both of these programs is = "tax breaks".   San Jose charges commercial = franchise fees based on the volume of garbage service provided to = businesses.  We do not charge these fees on recyclables.  We = are going to waive the fees on organics collected for = composting.   We may also waive the fees on "dry" = waste that is taken to a MRF, provided that a significant portion of = the waste is recovered.  Material that is recycled or composted = also avoids a $13 per ton tax at San Jose landfills.   We = have an open-market system for commercial hauling in San = Jose.

San Jose has a really cheap tip fee for disposal of = residential waste at the Newby Island landfill. I think the main = stumbling block to residential wet/dry collection here is that = composting the "wet" portion may prove to be more expensive = than landfilling it.

I am very impressed with San Francisco's = "Fantastic Three" pilot that collects = recyclables/garbage/organics (including food waste, yard trimmings, and = non-recyclable paper.)  It's the closest thing to wet/dry I've = seen in the U.S.   Do you have any plans to pilot a = two-stream program?

Eric Lombardi  is not the only = "seeker" out there.   I too have wondered why this = hasn't caught on outside of Ontario Provence.


David Krueger
(408) 277-5533
david.krueger@ci.sj.ca.us
or
ekndknsj@aol.com
 ----------
From: Lacaze, Skip
To: Krueger, David
Subject: FW: [GRRN] seeking info on commercial = wet/dry programs
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 1:46PM

FYI
 ----------
From: Eric Lombardi <
To: Vikky_McArthur@ci.sf.ca.us
Cc: CRRA@ucsd.edu; Recycle@envirolink.org; = DEGEARE.TRUETT@epamail.epa.gov; JGwaste@aol.com; jtruini@crain.com; = johnarmando@raischco.com; dpw180@co.santa-cruz.ca.us; = elombard@ix.netcom.com; dkies@harding.com; sjccdorsey@earthlink.net; = koplow@indecon.com; muirjulie@aol.com; = margaret_rands@qmgate.pln.co.santa-clara.ca.us; = debbie.devine@city.virginia-beach.va.us; lawrecyc@ccia.com; = hsanborn@CIWMB.ca.gov; LAPVP@aol.com; lynchm@metro.dst.or.us; = bplatt@ilsr.org; pligon@tellus.org; brantley@ci.monterey.ca.us; = bjmurphy@cmc.net; greg.warren@mail.co.ventura.ca.us; = ddryer@menlopark.org; recycle@toxicsaction.org; jerecycl@aol.com; = Norm.Schiferl@co.ramsey.mn.us; mwhittlesey@co.slo.ca.us; = Laura_Yates@co.st-louis.mo.us; Brooke.Nash@state.ma.us

Subject: Re: [GRRN] seeking info on commercial = wet/dry programs
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 12:37PM

Greetings Vikky and everybody else,

I have been researching wet/dry for years.  Not = real
hard, mind you, but pretty consistently ... and = my
interest continues to grow.  And every once in = a while
I run across another "seeker" like Vikky = here, and I
tell them what I know, then they disappear.

Why?  Wet/Dry looks so damn good on paper, why = isn't it
taking the world by storm?

I would like to start a small email dialogue with = this
group about wet/dry.... I recognize some of your = names,
and this is a great brain-trust to start = with.

Also, Vikky, you should call me (303) 444-6634, and = we
can talk about how far you've gotten in = researching...
and what your goals are here.

Well anyone, are Vikky and I crazy for pursuing = this?

Eric Lombardi
EcoCycle
BOulder, CO.



At 09:24 AM 7/21/99, Vikky_McArthur@ci.sf.ca.us = wrote:
>     I'm looking for = information on commercial commingled (wet/dry)
>     recycling programs in = medium to large cities (populations over
>     200,000).  If = anyone out there knows of any programs fitting this
>     description, please = email me.  I'm especially interested in their
>     = cost/workability/diversion attained, etc.
>
>     Thanks!
>
>     Vikky McArthur
>     San Francisco Recycling = Program
>     = vikky_mcarthur@ci.sf.ca.us
>
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>greenyes-request@earthsystems.org with the = subject
>unsubscribe.  If you have any problems, = please
>write to www@earthsystems.org.
>    GreenYes is archived on the = GrassRoots Recycling
>Network web site: http://www.grrn.org
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