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GreenYes Digest V97 #184 - Reply to Roger
On Using Greenyes
San Diego County announces waste system sale
Time sensitive information on 15 passenger vans
Who are We? -Reply

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 23:13:46 -0500
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When fighting a landfill in our community, I ordered and received at a
relatively low cost, information on liners for both hazardous waste and
municipal solid waste landfills from the National Technical Information
Service. Now the budget of the Government Printing Office is under
attack by an amendment to HR 2209. Losing this means citizens will not
have the right to fight back using information which we as taxpayers
paid. I urge your involement to stop the attack on the GPO's budget.
...Susan Snow

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Congressional Reform Briefings July 28, 1997

The U.S. House of Representatives will vote later today on a Klug
Amendment to slash the Government Printing Office's (GPO) budget. This
amendment may jeopardize the immensely popular and successful GPO Access
program, which is the best online source for federal government documents.

Please call or fax your House Member to oppose the Klug Amendment to the
Legislative Branch Appropriations Bill (H.R. 2209). The Congressional
Switchboard phone number is (202) 224-3121.

Following is a letter to Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA) opposing the Klug
July 28, 1997

Honorable Newt Gingrich
U. S. House of Representatives
Washington, DC 20515
via the Internet: GEORGIA6@HR.HOUSE.GOV

Dear Speaker Gingrich:

We are writing to oppose Representative Scott Klug's (R-WI)
amendment to H.R. 2209, the Legislative Branch Appropriations Bill, which
would cut 350 staff positions from the Government Printing Office (GPO). We
assume that any large organization could benefit from greater
efficiencies, including the GPO. But we oppose the cuts because we
believe the GPO's ability to meet its mission will be compromised by the
cuts. Indeed, we think the Congress should expand GPO's resources, so
that GPO could expand its popular and successful efforts to provide citizens
with Internet access to government information.

The U.S. government has two federal agencies which provide central
access to executive branch documents -- GPO and the Department of Commerce's
National Technical Information Service (NTIS). GPO is designed to
provide free or low cost access to government information. NTIS has a
deeply flawed mission, which includes charging extremely high prices for
government documents. Basically, NTIS tries to charge what the market
will bear for many government publications, like a commercial business,
while GPO is committed to the broadest public dissemination of the data.

In our view, the digital revolution has created an opportunity to
greatly enhance the public's access to government information. In order
to take advantage of this opportunity, Congress should allocate more
resources to agencies, like GPO, which are helping to open up the
government and empower citizens.

James Love, Director, Consumer Project on Technology
Gary Ruskin, Director, Congressional Accountability Project
The Congressional Accountability Project is A Ralph Nader
congressional reform group. For more information about congressional
reform issues, send e-mail to or call (202) 296-2787.

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Gary Ruskin
Congressional Accountability Project | Internet:
1611 Connecticut Ave. NW, Suite 3A
Washington, DC 20009
Phone: (202) 296-2787 Fax: (202) 833-2406



Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:18:54 -0500
From: RecycleWorlds <>
Subject: GreenYes Digest V97 #184 - Reply to Roger

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The GreenYes Digest on 8/1/ had a note from Roger Guttentag that ended =
with the observation:

"There are many issues which would benefit from this kind of debate. =
Steve raised some of them in his previous messages. Central to many, if =
not all of them, is the question 'Is robust economic growth and =
declining resource utilization a compatible set of goals that are =
achievable?' I think all the list members will say "of course!" THEN =

I would like to join in that last point. We will make no progress =
preaching to the choir. We can only break out of our claque and affect =
broader events if we can figure out strategies to reach people who =
commute 60 miles from the suburbs in their sports utility vehicles, too.

Unfortunately, this probably means learning to think like the guys who =
spend their lives figuring out how to sell their client's brand of =
toothpaste instead of just focusing on the scientific or humanistic =

I keep thinking, in that vein, of what happened in the 1960's (sorry =
about that!). The counter culture "thing" started out limited to =
obscure corners of a few campuses in the early part of the decade, and, =
by the early 1970's those ideas of self-fulfillment spread to "Joe =
Lunchbucket". How did that happen?

It happened, I suspect, when people felt secure in their material =
pursuits as real growth increased 3% a year and inflation and other =
economic disturbances were under control ... the Maslovian hierarchy =

And what's happening today in our economy (at least until the next oil =
crisis hits) ....

Peter Anderson


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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 18:44 -0800 (PST)
From: "Lacaze, Skip" <>
Subject: history

In Digest 181, William McGowan responded to an article by Peter
Montague, saying: "It was during the Marshall court
that the Fourteenth Amendement--written and passed to protect former
slaves--was stretched to include corporations by the Supreme Court."
He closed with: "This may not seem like much, but when people making
impassioned arguments like Mr. Montague screw up their history, they
often call their entire line of reasoning into question."

John Marshall served as Chief Justice from 1801 to 1835, when he died.
He did not have much to say about the Fourteenth Amendment.

Personally, ever since I learned that the courts had decided that
could not be deprived of rights guaranteed by the Constitution to persons or
citizens, I have wondered why they are not routinely subject to the same
penalties. If a corporation breaks the law, why isn't it imprisoned?
(Either by
having its directors jailed or by having its charter and right to do
suspended.) If a corporation kills, why is it not subject to the death
(Literally for the responsible officials, or, perhaps more reasonably, by
tearing up the charter and taking all corporate assets for the people.)

If, for practical reasons, we need limited liability corporations in order
have a productive economy, we should still, for equally practical reasons,
restrain their activity in many ways that we would not restrain a human


Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 14:41:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Wade <>
Subject: On Using Greenyes

I tend to agree with Steve on this one that we want greenyes to be broad
and inclusive. In fact, I would argue that we need to more widely
publicize the existence of this list, in order to bring in a wider range
of people and opinions, talents and issues.

The subject of what to include has come up on another list to which I
subscribe. After a lively debate, a consensus agreement was reached to
not limit postings too much, as we all have delete keys, and we were
uncomfortable with censorship. Clearly identifying the subject of your
message in the subject line greatly helps subscribers decide if they are
interested in reading further.

At the same time, Roger Guttentag is right about us needing to keep this
list a forum of civil discussion and debate. The immediacy of e-mail can
be a curse as well as a blessing; it is all too easy to fire of a nasty
message to someone who has written something with which we disagree.
Perhaps we ought to remember the example of Harry Truman, who would write
angry letters, leave them on his desk, then tear them up the next day,
his anger having been vented.

Dave Wade
Recycling Coordinator
UC Santa Cruz


Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:10:56 -0700
From: Ann Fathy <> (by way of Carolyn Chase)
Subject: San Diego County announces waste system sale

>From the San Diego Daily Transcript, 7/31/97:

County To Get Trash Off Hands

Sale Of System To Allied Waste Formally Announced

Daily Transcript Staff Writer

July 30, 1997

The planned sale of the county's beleaguered trash system for $184 million
in cash to Allied Waste
Industries Inc. was formally announced at the County Administration Building
Wednesday. The sale
is slated for completion in November.

"This is an historic day for the county of San Diego," said San Diego County
Chief Administrative
Officer Lawrence Prior.

Prior, who was standing in close proximity to a large Allied truck and a
Caterpillar tractor with a red
and white "sold" sign on it, said with this agreement the county can finally
cast off the "debacle of
past decisions."

This was a not-so-subtle reference to the currently idle trash recycling
plant in San Marcos that
brought the county to the brink of financial ruin. This same recycling plant
is part of what
Scottsdale-based Allied Waste is buying. Allied still does not know if it
will be able to operate the
facility. San Marcos City Attorney Ken Lounsbery said it would be improper
for him to speculate on
what the city might do in regards to allowing the recycling facility to
operate. That city had blocked
San Diego County's efforts to restart the facility until a Superior Court
ruling that the plant could be
run for demonstration purposes only.

With or without the recycling facility, Allied is getting a lot. The assets
include the Sycamore Landfill
with its projected expansion capacity, the Otay Landfill, Borrego Landfill
and the Ramona Landfill,
as well as rural container sites.

The proceeds from the sale are expected to be used for the establishment of
an environmental trust
fund to manage the county's ongoing solid waste activities, to build
management reserves and fund
certain infrastructure investments.

Allied Waste is a big player in the nation. It is the fourth largest solid
waste management firm in the
country with 1997 revenues projected at more than $800 million. The company
motto is "deal with
honor, act with courage and refuse to fail."

Allied did fail to make a profit in 1996 and posted a $79.42 million loss in
1996, year-ended Dec.
31, compared to $12.38 million in net income in 1995. It should be noted
however, that if
acquisitions are taken out of the picture, the firm's net income would have
come to about $17.2

One of those acquisitions was Laidlaw Waste Systems. This acquisition raised
a few eyebrows in
the business community because "the acquiring company was approximately
one-third the size of the
operations it purchased," Allied's annual report noted.

When asked about the Laidlaw acquisition, Prior remarked "it was like the
minnow eating the
shark," but did not see it as a problem, however.

"Was that aggressive? You betcha, but the market saw this as a sound
financial move," Prior said.

Allied currently operates 55 landfills, 22 recycling facilities, works
through 82 collection companies
and 40 transfer stations in 21 states.

Prior also said the company's financials look good. For the second quarter
ended June 30, not
counting extraordinary items, Allied posted nearly $12.73 million in net
income on revenues of
$211.12 million, compared to $1.43 million in net income on revenues of
about $62.01 million for
the like period a year earlier. Taking those extraordinary items into
account, the loss for the quarter
was $39.68 million, compared to a positive net income of $1.43 million for
the like quarter in 1996.
The loss in the second quarter was largely attributable to the completion of
the Laidlaw purchase.

When asked if there are dangers in the process, Prior acknowledged that
there may be, because this
divestiture "is uncharted territory" for the county. On the other hand,
Prior said anybody at the
county should feel a lot better than about 1 1/2 years ago when the
prospects were looking grim.

Roger Ramsey, Allied chairman of the board, said the deal, which the Board
of Supervisors is
expected to ratify on Aug. 12, "is a win-win situation for the county and
for Allied."

"We couldn't be more excited to partner with San Diego County in providing
cost effective, efficient,
environmentally responsible waste collection and disposal services to San
Diego County, well into
the next century," Ramsey said.

The county is slated to receive $16 million upon ratification of the
agreement by the Board of

Allied provides non-hazardous waste collection to more than 1.4 million
residential, municipal and
commercial customers in 22 states.

Allied is no stranger to San Diego. Its Laidlaw Waste Systems subsidiary
employs 220 people in the
county who provide services to more than 70,000 customers here. A total of
about 5,000
employees are on Allied's payroll.

The apparent losing bidders are USA Waste and Waste Management.
Interestingly enough, in its
second-quarter financial statement, Allied announced it had just completed
the acquisition of certain
collection, transfer, recycling and disposal assets from USA Waste and
Browning-Ferris Industries.
These assets, totaling about $91.6 million in annual revenue, include eight
landfills, eight collection
operations, eight transfer stations and two recycling facilities.

The same second-quarter financial statement also noted that Allied also sold
certain assets to USA
Waste and a Browning-Ferris entity including five collection operations, one
recycling facility and
one landfill in three separate markets representing about $46.5 million in
annual revenue.

"Net consideration of approximately $60.7 million, comprised of cash notes
and Allied common
stock was paid in these transactions," the second-quarter report said.


Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:58:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Greg Smith <>
Subject: Time sensitive information on 15 passenger vans

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 06:35:50 -0600
From: George Dreckmann <>
Subject: Who are We? -Reply

I want to thank Steve for his thoughts on Greenyes. It strikes at an
important issue for me. You see, I feel that