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GreenYes Digest Wed, 21 May 97 Volume 97 : Issue 115

Today's Topics:
Asphalt Shingle Recycling
Is any market a good market?
TC$ gives Clinton "D" -Forwarded

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 14:30:07 -0500
From: Joshua Reiser <>
Subject: Asphalt Shingle Recycling

Does anyone have any information, anecdotes, and/or ideas about how
to recycle asphalt roofing shingles? Any help would be appreciated.


Joshua Reiser
St. Louis County Department of Health
Office of the Solid Waste Coordinator


Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:44:10 -0500
From: "Cloutier, Chris" <>
Subject: Is any market a good market?

This is an interesting question and one that has been and continues to
be debated here in Minnesota. I think certain qualifiers have to be
added to the question, including: what are you recycling; how is the
material collected: and, where are you marketing from?

As a "for instance", Minnesota has a 2-color glass plant. However, this
plant is very particular both about contaminant and color mixtures of
the cullet they accept. Many rural programs that run drop boxes have an
impossible time meeting the plants needs for material quality. Should
the county then stop collecting glass, put significant resources into
seperating and cleaning the material and then disposing of the
residuals, or, find an "alternative" use for the material? One respose
to the initial posting suggested that the "best" use would be
glass-to-glass but certainly in this instance (and this is a common
problem) I disagree.

Alternative uses for material, whether it be glass-as-aggregate, ONP as
insulation, and other "one-time" recycling methods represent valuable
and necesary parts of the market infrastructure. Saying that office
paper shouldn't go into toilet tissue is a misnomer. Saying
source-seperated office paper shouldn't go into toilet tissue is an
economic reality. However, if said office paper is mixed at the source
with junk mail, boxboard and other fibers that commonly come out of a
household toilet paper seems like a great market.

The philosophy the State of MN uses is one that encourages collectors
and processors of recyclables to maximize both the amount of material
collected and the value of the material. However, these two can be at
odds as increased collection can and does reduce material value. The
City of Minneapolis learned this after collecting mixed rigids for a
number of years and slowly narrowing their specs for plastics that could
be collected at the curb.

The question might better be asked, is any MRF a good MRF?

Nice BTO paraphrase in asking the question.

>From: Lacaze, Skip[]
>Sent: Friday, May 16, 1997 5:03PM
>To: Mehrdad Azemun;;
>Subject: RE: Is any market a good market?
>Landfill capacity has never been the best argument for materials
>conservation or, more specifically, for recycling. Resource and
>energy conservation are more important reasons. Reduction in
>the pollution associated with extraction and processing of virgin
>resources is a more important reason. So is local economic
>development and creation of jobs for underskilled workers.
>I suggest you look at the publications of the Institute for Local
>Self-Reliance or their site at
> ----------
>From: Mehrdad Azemun
>To: Skip;;
>Subject: Is any market a good market?
>Date: Thursday, May 15, 1997 12:45PM
>I've got a market development question for you, and I'm curious to see
>everyone's response. I imagine that most of you are familiar with
>Chicago's Blue Bag recycling program--the nation's largest mixed waste
>processing program, which employs "Dirty MRF's" to pull recyclables both
>from Blue Bags and the raw trash stream itself. Our nonprofit, the
>Chicago Recycling Coalition, has been the program's most ardent critic.
>We had a discussion on Chicago public radio the other day about the blue
>bag program, with myself, City Hall's recycling coordinator, a WMX
>spokesperson, and Lynn Scarlett of the Reason Foundation. While I
>blasted away at the low quality of the recyclables that mixed waste
>processing pumps out, Scarlett disagreed mildly by stating that any
>market is a good market--as long as this stuff is staying out of
>landfills, then everything's OK. In other words, as long as WMX can
>find buyers of tons of broken glass and contaminated mixed paper, why
>should we worry? [And by the way, neither WMX or City Hall have
>provided us with any specific markets information.]
>What do you think? And in addition, how do we present this technical
>and complicated issue to Chicago's general public? Thanks--Mehrdad
>Azemun, Chicago Recycling Coalition
> --
>Chicago Recycling Coalition
>2125 West North Avenue
>Chicago, Illinois 60647
>tel 773.862.2370
>fax 773.278.3840


Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:24:22 -0500
From: Pete Pasterz <Pete.Pasterz@USDWP.MSU.EDU>
Subject: TC$ gives Clinton "D" -Forwarded

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Does any one else have an updated list of what's in and what's out of the
federal budget as
it relates to subsidies?

Pete Pasterz
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> THE WASTE BASKET May 19, 1997
> A Weekly Bulletin on Wasteful Government Spending
> from Taxpayers for Common $ense
>Low Grades For Administration
>President Clinton has failed to translate his commitments to reinventing
>government and protecting the environment into leadership on
>environmentally-friendly budget cuts. Clinton earned a disappointing 'D' on
>a Green Scissors Clinton Report Card released May 15 by TCS, Friends of the
>Earth and U.S. Public Research Interest Group. The first ever Green
>Scissors Report Card graded Clinton on 57 spending and subsidy cuts proposed
>in the Green Scissors '97 Report.
>The President can do better -- each of the Green Scissors recommendations
>are consistent with the President's own goals of deficit reduction,
>reinventing government, and protecting the environment. The report card
>called upon President Clinton to direct Vice President Al Gore to conduct an
>in-house review of the Administration's performance on Green Scissors issues
>and to recommend improvements.
>The Administration's few high marks on federal lands policies and water
>projects were pulled way down by too many failing grades on energy,
>agriculture and international programs. Although the Administration is
>currently on academic probation, it can redeem itself with a strong
>performance during the coming months.
>The report card contains an "Honor Roll" for the Administration's most
>laudable achievements, as well as a "Detention Hall" for the failures.
>Items on the Honor Roll include the President's veto threat that stopped
>sham mining reforms, refusal by the Interior Department to allow a land
>transfer for the destructive Oregon Inlet project, and the National Park
>Service decision blocking the Stillwater bridge between Minnesota and
>Among the 16 "F"s landing Clinton in Detention Hall: Continued funding for
>Plutonium Pyroprocessing whose predecessors were twice killed by Congress,
>supporting a PR program to promote "low-level" radioactive dumps, and
>solicitation of special funds for the Corridor H Highway in West Virginia.
> Copies of the report are available on our web site at
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