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[Fwd: Re: this is a story about recycling]
compact disks (2 msgs)
Compactor Factors
David Muchnick
Personal Attacks on E-mail Lists
Pigmented Milk Bottles and UV Light
polystyrene tray recycling (2 msgs)
Reduce Computer Paper Consumption
regional slurs (2 msgs)
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 21:02:16 -0600
From: John Rogers <rogersjc@intersurf.com>
Subject: (no subject)
SUBSCRIBE rogersjc@intersurf.com : John C. Rogers
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 18:22:25 -0800
From: Myra Nissen <myracycl@inreach.com>
Subject: [Fwd: Re: this is a story about recycling]
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Get off this John's Mail Msg. Bit already!
He appologized and said that it was a mistake. Let the be whoever he is
in his private life. And, hey, I don't know the guy at all. I am
embarrased for him that it happended, I have had some embarassing things
happen to me. Let it lie.
Myra Nissen
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Hi All!
Both Cindy and Barbara comment negatively on what John Reindl wrote - not
only do I, in principle, agree with them both, but would have added
"arrogant and paternalistic" as well! However, the point I want to take up
is the request to remove John from the list - this, I do not agree with -
here in South Africa, we sat down and negotiated with our hated rascist
enemies, and have learnt to keep processes as inclusive as possible, for the
greater good - can we not forgive John his outbursts, request his
re-considering how and what he writes, but still involve him? Excluding
people makes us weaker, not stronger..... dissent is good, even if all it
achieves is to get us out of our often apathetic states..
That's my tuppence worth.....
Muna....
Mr. Muna Lakhani
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:53:35 -0800 (PST)
From: TARA PIKE <pike@nevada.edu>
Subject: compact disks
Is there a way to recycle compact disks?
When computer software came on disks, we could reuse the disks and even
recyle them. Now with software coming on CDs, I am unsure of what to do
with them. Does anyone have suggestions? We have a large amount that we
need to do something with - I would rather not throw them away.
Thank you,
Tara Pike
8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Tara Pike e-mail: pike@nevada.edu
Rebel Recycling Coordinator phone: (702) 895-1630
University of Nevada Las Vegas (UNLV) fax: (702) 895-4436
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 18:24 -0800 (PST)
From: "Moore, Robin" <Robin.Moore@ci.sj.ca.us>
Subject: compact disks
If you can ship them, they will be happily reused by RAFT, Resource Area for
Teachers, located in Sunnyvale, California. They provide art supplies to
teachers in the Bay Area. Their number is (408) 524-9780. For anyone in
the area listening, they are even willing to come pick up CD's and other
items from you (and can handle large quantities) -- unfortunately, I think
Las Vegas is a bit too far. Perhaps there is something similar in your area
(they may be able to tell you that if you call them). Good luck.
Robin Moore
City of San Jose
(408) 277-5533
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From: TARA PIKE
To: RMoore; greenyes
Subject: compact disks
Date: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 12:28PM
Is there a way to recycle compact disks?
When computer software came on disks, we could reuse the disks and even
recyle them. Now with software coming on CDs, I am unsure of what to do
with them. Does anyone have suggestions? We have a large amount that we
need to do something with - I would rather not throw them away.
Thank you,
Tara Pike
8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Tara Pike e-mail: pike@nevada.edu
Rebel Recycling Coordinator phone: (702) 895-1630
University of Nevada Las Vegas (UNLV) fax: (702) 895-4436
(8 (8 (8 (8 (8 (8 (8 (8 (8 (8 (8 (8 (8 (8 (8 (8 (8 (8 (8 (8 (8 (8 (8 (8
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:01:07 -0800
From: Victor Aguiar <vaguiar@ecoact.org>
Subject: Compactor Factors
Can anyone tell me the standard rate of compaction for a trash compactor?
I've gotten several readings on this ranging from 3 to 1 -- 10 to 1.
-- Victor
Victor R. Aguiar
Ecology Action
P.O. Box 1188
Santa Cruz, CA 95061-1188
408-426-5925, Extension 13
vaguiar@ecoact.org
www.ecoact.org
"There is no such thing as garbage."
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:56:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Dimeanor@aol.com
Subject: David Muchnick
To: Friends and Colleagues
From: The Staff and Directors of Bronx 2000 and Big City Forest
Date: December 3, 1997
We are writing to inform you that David Muchnick, president and CEO of Bronx
2000 and Chairman and CEO of Big City Forest, is recovering from a serious
illness. We expect that David's recovery will keep him out of work for
several months. While his physical recovery will keep David away from the
office for some time, we expect that intellectually he will be working with
us again much more quickly.
In the meantime, Bronx 2000 and Big City Forest have a strong management team
in place to keep programs and operations on track and moving forward. The
team includes: Steven Carter, Executive Vice President and General Manager,
Big City Forest; David Hurd, Director of Operations, Bronx 2000; Resa Dimino,
Program Director, Bronx 2000; Alexandra Dyer, Director of Finance, Bronx 2000
and Big City Forest; Peter Arndtsen, Director of Training, Bronx 2000; and
John Ray Gonzalez, Housing Program Manager, Bronx 2000. Given the talent,
tenure and capacity of the team, we are confident that we will continue to
create and implement strong and innovative programs and operations.
David is currently recovering at the New York Hospital/Cornell Medical Center
in Manhattan. He is not accepting visitors at this time and flowers and
other gifts are not appropriate. Regards and well wishes can be sent in care
of Bronx 2000, 1809 Carter Avenue, Bronx, NY 10457.
Please join us in wishing David a speedy recovery. Any questions regarding
David's condition or the status of the organization's programs and operations
can be directed to Resa Dimino at (718) 518-3185.
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:29:47 -0800
From: "Brennan, Terry" <tbrennan@CIWMB.ca.gov>
Subject: Personal Attacks on E-mail Lists
John's message was not an intentional assault, and he apologized for his
error. His message may even have been entirely sarcastic (sarcasm, of
course, does not go over well in writing). Others will undoubtedly make
similar mistakes in the future. Lets let it go and move on.
We should all continue to focus on issues and problems, not people and
personalities. When someone makes a personal attack, the best way to
diffuse it is to ignore it. By acknowledging it, we give it power it
doesn't deserve. We will always have different viewpoints, and
opinions. This is what makes these lists work. Once we start name
calling and character assassination, the functionality of the list is
lost, we lose people, and the valuable information they all have. We
all know more than any one of us. Let's share that knowledge and
emphasize our consensus, not our differences.
Terry Brennan
Integrated Waste Management Specialist
California Integrated Waste Management Board
tbrennan@ciwmb.ca.gov
The opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of the State of
California or the California Integrated Waste Management Board.
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:20:48 -0600
From: "RecycleWorlds" <anderson@msn.fullfeed.com>
Subject: Pigmented Milk Bottles and UV Light
The December 3 GreenYes included a quotation from a letter to Plastics
News that was provided by Susan Waughtal, to-wit:
Subject: UV Filters and Milk
A letter to the editor in Plastics News, Dec. 1, 1997 (p.5),
responding
to a previous article about the effect of UV light on milk:
"I found Steve Tiloken's Oct. 27 Page 7 article on the effects of
ultraviolet light on milk very interesting.
"Thermoplastic Processes Inc. has sold UV filters for fluorescent
lamps
for decades to help deal with the damage caused by lighting within
the
store prior to purchase.
"The use of these filter sleeves and keeping the natural high density
polyethylene milk bottles in bags on the way home should minimize the
need to use more expensive opaque bottles."
Joseph Rene DuPont
Thermoplastic Processes, Inc.
Stirling, N.J."
We have been doing extensive research on this issue as part of the
Plastic Redesign Project. Although early news accounts did pinpoint
UV as the part of the spectrum which impacted the taste and nutrients
of milk, when we reviewed the technical literature that described
laboratory tests, this was not the case. UV light is found at 300-400
nanometers (nm). However, the worst damage to milk under sufficient
intensity and duration of exposure to light is found in the range of
400-500 nm which is in the blue and violet portion of the spectrum.
The confusion probably arose initially because the damage to the wall
of plastic bottles (or plastic lumber, etc.) is primarily from UV
light.
This is unfortunate because, to the extent that there is a problem for
the actual amount of light which milk is actually exposed to (and this
has not yet been established), it would be possible to include a
colorless UV blocker in the milk bottle that would protect the milk
while not adversely affecting recyclers with colorants in the natural
HDPE stream. (If anyone would like a copy of a working paper
describing the types of UV blockers approved for food contact and
their cost, please let me know and I'll send you a copy.)
Thus, to protect milk -- if protection is necessary -- without
pigmenting the bottle would require using either yellow fluorescent
lights in the supermarket display case or using yellow shields over
normal fluorescent lights.
Anyone who would like to keep current with our research on whether
there is actual, real-world impacts of light on milk can sign up with
the Plastic Redesign Project's listserve by sending a message to
<majordomo@msn.fullfeed.com> and including in the text <subscribe
plastic>.
____________________________________
Peter Anderson
RecycleWorlds Consulting
4513 Vernon Blvd. Ste. 15
Madison, WI 53705-4964
Phone:(608) 231-1100/Fax: (608) 233-0011
E-mail:recycle@msn.fullfeed.com
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 06:53:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Boston CWA 486 <bostoncwa@cleanwater.org>
Subject: polystyrene tray recycling
school PS recycling (don't know if its trays) is supposed to be happening in
Boston; I could try to track down if u need.
sad news just recently that a company doing reuse of fancy plastic
refillables for school (milk?) is getting out of the business due to not
good enough percentage of containers coming back. Apparently they are
charging 25 cent deposit, and its not enough to cover their loses. Don't
know why they don't just raise the deposit to reflect their costs. I could
also track this down...
-k
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Keith c/o bostoncwa@igc.org
total recycling - zero waste
W.Rox/Boston, MA USA
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At 08:03 PM 12/2/97 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Anyone have information on elementary schools or high schools that
>currently recycle polystyrene lunch trays? Also, anyone have information on
>reusable lunch trays and the pro's and con's to both methods. For
>reusable-how is the storage and dishwasher battle overcome?
>
>Any information on schools that are doing this would be extremely helpful!>
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:55:58 EST
From: Infinrecy <Infinrecy@aol.com>
Subject: polystyrene tray recycling
In a message dated 97-12-03 02:36:46 EST, you write:
<< Anyone have information on elementary schools or high schools that
currently recycle polystyrene lunch trays? Also, anyone have information on
reusable lunch trays and the pro's and con's to both methods. For
reusable-how is the storage and dishwasher battle overcome?
Any information on schools that are doing this would be extremely helpful!
>>
It's hard to believe that there is much styrene tray recycling going on and
boy do they fill up a dumpster. A lot of schools around here grind them up
before they're trashed, creating an interesting residue around the dumpsters.
But with schools going to disposables, maybe there's a way to get a hold of
someone's used washer.
I have advocated the use of paper, pressed pulp trays that could be ground up
and composted along with the leftovers. The trays can have high recycled
content and would be a good bulking agent for the wet food. But I am no
expert in this area.
Good luck,
ford
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 14:04:30 -0800
From: Rick Best <rgbest@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Reduce Computer Paper Consumption
I wanted to let you all know about an interesting computer program I
discovered. It is called Fine Print and it allows you to print mulitple
pages (2, 4 or 8) on a single sheet of paper. It's a great way to save
paper when printing. The program actually installs as a printer driver
allowing it to work with the print function of any other program. A
demonstration version can be downloaded for free which allows you to
print up to ten pages at a time. A full version (without the 10 page
limit) requires registration for $19.95. Their web site is at
<underline><color><param>0000,0000,fefe</param><bigger>http://www.singletrac
k.com</bigger></color></underline>
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Rick Best
Policy Director
Californians Against Waste
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:21:37 -0500 (EST)
From: C2ALTS@aol.com
Subject: regional slurs
John Reindl's recent faux pas illustrates a hobby horse of mine: among the
politically correct in our society who wouldn't be caught dead making overtly
racist or sexist remarks, it's considered perfectly ok to make regional
slurs.
Having moved to Northern California from Nashville TN, I have become hyper-
sensitive to casual slurs on Southerners. In fact, I embarrassed myself at a
recent lecture by interrupting the speaker who had made a casual reference to
the backward politics of a Southern state (to appreciative snickers from the
audience) moments after describing even worse politics in California. When
the National Recycling Congress was held in Kansas City several Californians
informed me that this would "obviously" be a boring conference since it was
to be held in the Midwest. When the California Resource Recovery Association
conference was held here in Sonoma County, people from Southern California
were heard to make remarks about expecting lots of women with unshaven legs.
Since both my parents are from Wisconsin and I spent some formative years
there, I can say authoritatively that John's superior, provincial and
pseudo-intellectual remarks are totally typical of Wisconsin cheeseheads. Or
of thee. Or me. Who among us, given the delicious opportunity to pass along
our regional prejudices to an appreciative foreigner would fail to do so?
Let (s)he who is without sin cast the first stone: and let him/her also be
careful when addressing e-mail: John's real sin!
Connie Cloak
C2: Alternative Services
758 Pine St.
Santa Rosa CA 95404
707/573-9808
fax: 575-6866
email: C2ALTS@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:51:14 -0800
From: Gregg Foster <inc@northcoast.com>
Subject: regional slurs
Bravo Connie.. and hello. It's been a long time. Hope you are well.
Love to write more, but have to run out and drag the dog out from under the
porch.
Bonafide born and bred hick
from behind the Redwood Curtain,
Gregg Foster
-----Original Message-----
From: C2ALTS@aol.com [SMTP:C2ALTS@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 12:22 PM
To: GreenYes@ucsd.edu
Subject: regional slurs
John Reindl's recent faux pas illustrates a hobby horse of mine: among the
politically correct in our society who wouldn't be caught dead making overtly
racist or sexist remarks, it's considered perfectly ok to make regional
slurs.
Having moved to Northern California from Nashville TN, I have become hyper-
sensitive to casual slurs on Southerners. In fact, I embarrassed myself at a
recent lecture by interrupting the speaker who had made a casual reference to
the backward politics of a Southern state (to appreciative snickers from the
audience) moments after describing even worse politics in California. When
the National Recycling Congress was held in Kansas City several Californians
informed me that this would "obviously" be a boring conference since it was
to be held in the Midwest. When the California Resource Recovery Association
conference was held here in Sonoma County, people from Southern California
were heard to make remarks about expecting lots of women with unshaven legs.
Since both my parents are from Wisconsin and I spent some formative years
there, I can say authoritatively that John's superior, provincial and
pseudo-intellectual remarks are totally typical of Wisconsin cheeseheads. Or
of thee. Or me. Who among us, given the delicious opportunity to pass along
our regional prejudices to an appreciative foreigner would fail to do so?
Let (s)he who is without sin cast the first stone: and let him/her also be
careful when addressing e-mail: John's real sin!
Connie Cloak
C2: Alternative Services
758 Pine St.
Santa Rosa CA 95404
707/573-9808
fax: 575-6866
email: C2ALTS@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:51:04 -0500 (EST)
From: sarah e jones <sejones@indiana.edu>
Subject: This is a story about recyc
Please keep this stuff off the mailing list - I don't have time to read
this crap - behave like adults. Sally
On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Barbara Schaefer wrote:
> I have a better idea. How about we keep John off this list. His
> comments belong on redneck.com
>
> *****************************************
>
>
> > Date sent: 02 Dec 97 14:21:43 EST
> > From: Robert Graff <RGRAFF@tellus.org>
> > To: uunet!ucsd.edu!greenyes@uunet.uu.net
> > Subject: Re: This is a story about recyc
>
> >
> > I'm sure we all can use John's error to tsk tsk. He made a mistake, he
> > apologized.
> >
> > I suggest that those who feel so compelled flame John directly via his
> > email address. But, please, keep it off the list.
> >
> > Robert Graff - Associate Scientist - Tellus Institute
> > 11 Arlington Street - Boston, MA 02116 USA
> > phone: (617) 266-5400 x276 - fax: (617) 266-8303
> > email: rgraff@tellus.org - web: www.tellus.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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