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GreenYes Digest Fri, 6 Dec 96 Volume 96 : Issue 40

Today's Topics:
(Fwd) Please How Can I Do ...
FW: newspapers (fwd)
Source Reduction -Hotel Soap

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:19:50 CDT
From: "John Reindl 608-267-8815" <>
Subject: (Fwd) Please How Can I Do ...

Dear List Members -

I am forwarding this email message to you in the hopes that someone may
be able to respond. I realize that it is a general message, which may
be difficult to answer, but any help would be greatly appreciated.

Because the writer is not a member of the email list, could you please
respond to the email address given?

Thanks very much,

John Reindl,
Dane County, WI

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Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 17:34:04 -0800
From: "seongwon, seo" <>
Organization: cau
Subject: Please How Can I Do ...

Dear Sir..


This is my first letter written in english since I began learning


Therefore Please excuse any mistake that I make...

Now I am going to tell you something about myself brifely...

My name is Seong Won Seo who is 29 years of age...

I live in Seoul Korea and I am a graduate student major in env't eng...

I am go to Chung Ang Univ. located in Seoul...

I am interested in LCA recently, I have been studing that...

So I decided that I would like to write the paper of my ph.D degree...

I was study about C&D debris... but now I would like to study LCA..

I have a plan that I study the LCA of construction & Demolition debris...

But I can not make a concrete plan and I have no refference of LCA...

So I send you a mail to help about that...

How can I do..?

I shall be looking forward to hearing from you...


Seong Won Seo


Date: Thu, 05 Dec 96 22:23:54 PST


Thanks for posting the message about shortcomings of the likely EPA
"corporate rule" for posting financial assurance for landfill
maintenance. I agree that corporations are fundamentally different
than public sector operators. The public sector always has the power to
tax if they misjudged earlier computations.

I would make an even stronger statement than 'even the [corporate]
giants can fail.'
They WILL fail when enough of their landfills start leaking -- as
inevitably they all must. Groundwater remediation attempts at
superfund sites cost an average of $25 million -- sites that are far
smaller on average than todays megadumps. Groundwater cleanups at
superfund sites were only successful 20 percent of the time; that is,
80 percent could not be cleaned up at all in the sense of restoring
groundwater to drinking standards.

I doubt WMX or BFI have any expectation of being in business 50 or
100 years from now when dozens of their landfills are showing
groundwater contamination. WMX surpassed 1,000 subsidiaries a few
years ago. Shell corporations will be a more apt term when their
landfills come due. This is a good argument for public ownership
of landfills.

If we accept that landfills will leak eventually, a more sensible
corporate financial assurance rule would be the requirement of a escrow
fund to deal with the problem. G. Fred Lee worked up some numbers a
while back that show such a fund could be generated for an extra $50
to $100 per ton.

Certainly, the 30 year rule (absolving landfill operators from financial
responsibility after 30 years if groundwater contamination has not been
detected) is absurd and an affront to the law of physics that all systems
increase in entropy. According to Dr. Lee the 30 year figure was based on
methane formation rates and is quite irrelevant to leachate formation.

If landfill operators (private or public) were required to do the
common-sense thing -- assume responsibility fo the waste for as long as
those wastes present a threat to groundwater quality -- then preventing
waste (through recycling and source reduction) would look a whole lot
more attractive than trying to manage waste. RCRA Subtitle D must
be reformed to accomplish this.

--Bill S.

Bill Sheehan
Director of Environmental Biology
E & C Consulting Engineers, Inc.
work: 770-995-9606; fax 770-995-6603
home tel & fax: 706-208-1416
268 Janice Drive, Athens, GA 30606


Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 09:10:12 -0800
From: (David Assmann)
Subject: FW: newspapers (fwd)

A posting from Chris Zimmer asked the following:

>I have been told that much newsprint comes from trees on private tree
>farms. I would be interested to learn where newspaper companies get
>their fiber. Is it from old growth forests, public lands, or private
>tree farms? How much newsprint is recycled? Which newspapers use
>recycled fiber? In what amounts? Are the same companies that make
>phone books out of old growth making newspaper out of these
>irreplaceable trees?

About 40% of all timber harvested domestically ends up as pulpwood for
paper and paperboard. Industry owned tree farms account for about 28% of
all timber, so at least one-third of the wood used for paper domestically
must come from public lands (including national forests) and land owned by
non-industry private companies. According to the U.S. Forest Service,
newsprint makes up about 29% of all paper. However, more than half of the
paper used for newsprint is imported.

63% of all newsprint is "recovered," with 35% of that amount going back
into newsprint, about 20% used to make recycled paperboard, about 20%
exported and the rest used for other paper and non paper products
(including animal bedding).

Many states have requirements (either mandated or through voluntary
agreements with newspapers) to use recycled content. Percentage
requirements vary from state to state.

The companies that supply paper for phone books are often also suppliers of
paper for newsprint - in fact the grade of paper used is similar.

David Assmann
Public Outreach Coordinator
San Francisco Recycling Program


Date: Thu, 05 Dec 96 10:00:02 PST
Subject: Source Reduction -Hotel Soap

What to Do With Hotel Soap

The following letters are taken from an actual incident between a
London hotel and one of it's guests. The Hotel ended up submitting the
letters to the London Sunday Times.
Dear Maid,

Please do not leave any more of those little bars of soap in my
bathroom since I have brought my own bath-sized Dial. Please remove
the six unopened little bars from the shelf under the medicine chest
and another three in the shower soap dish. They are in my way.

Thank you,
S. Berman

Dear Room 635,

I am not your regular maid. She will be back tomorrow, Thursday,
from her day off. I took the 3 hotel soaps out of the shower soap dish
as you requested. The 6 bars on your shelf I took out of your way and
put on top of your Kleenex dispenser in case you should change your
mind. This leaves only the 3 bars I left today which my instructions
from the management is to leave 3 soaps daily. I hope this is

Kathy, Relief Maid

Dear Maid - I hope you are my regular maid.

Apparently Kathy did not tell you about my note to her concerning
the little bars of soap. When I got back to my room this evening I
found you had added 3 little Camays to the shelf under my medicine
cabinet. I am going to be here in the hotel for two weeks and have
brought my own bath-size Dial so I won't need those 6 little Camays
which are on the shelf. They are in my way when shaving, brushing
teeth, etc. Please remove them.

S. Berman

Dear Mr. Berman,

My day off was last Wed. so the relief maid left 3 hotel soaps which
we are instructed by the management. I took the 6 soaps which were in
your way on the shelf and put them in the soap dish where your Dial
was. I put the Dial in the medicine cabinet for your convenience. I
didn't remove the 3 complimentary soaps which are always placed inside
the medicine cabinet for all new check-ins and which you did not
object to when you checked in last Monday. Please let me know if I can
of further assistance.

Your regular maid,

Dear Mr. Berman,

The assistant manager, Mr. Kensedder, informed me this morning that
you called him last evening and said you were unhappy with your maid
service. I have assigned a new girl to your room. I hope you will
accept my apologies for any past inconvenience. If you have any future
complaints please contact me so I can give it my personal attention.
Call extension 1108 between 8AM and 5PM. Thank you.

Elaine Carmen

Dear Miss Carmen,

It is impossible to contact you by phone since I leave the hotel for
business at 7:45 AM and don't get back before 5:30 or 6PM. That's the
reason I called Mr. Kensedder last night. You were already off duty. I
only asked Mr. Kensedder if he could do anything about those little
bars of soap. The new maid you assigned me must have thought I was a
new check-in today, since she left another 3 bars of hotel soap in my
medicine cabinet along with her regular delivery of 3 bars on the
bath-room shelf. In just 5 days here I have accumulated 24 little bars
of soap. Why are you doing this to me?

S. Berman

Dear Mr. Berman,

Your maid, Kathy, has been instructed to stop delivering soap to
your room and remove the extra soaps. If I can be of further
assistance, please call extension 1108 between 8AM and 5PM. Thank you,

Elaine Carmen,

Dear Mr. Kensedder,

My bath-size Dial is missing. Every bar of soap was taken from my
room including my own bath-size Dial. I came in late last night and
had to call the bellhop to bring me 4 little Cashmere Bouquets.

S. Berman

Dear Mr. Berman,

I have informed our housekeeper, Elaine Carmen, of your soap
problem. I cannot understand why there was no soap in your room since
our maids are instructed to leave 3 bars of soap each time they
service a room. The situation will be rectified immediately. Please
accept my apologies for the inconvenience.

Martin L. Kensedder
Assistant Manager

Dear Mrs. Carmen,

Who the hell left 54 little bars of Camay in my room? I came in
last night and found 54 little bars of soap. I don't want 54 little
bars of Camay. I want my one damn bar of bath-size Dial. Do you
realize I have 54 bars of soap in here. All I want is my bath size
Dial. Please give me back my bath-size Dial.

S. Berman

Dear Mr. Berman,

You complained of too much soap in your room so I had them removed.
Then you complained to Mr. Kensedder that all your soap was missing so
I personally returned them. The 24 Camays which had been taken and the
3 Camays you are supposed to receive daily. I don't know anything
about the 4 Cashmere Bouquets. Obviously your maid, Kathy, did not
know I had returned your soaps so she also brought 24 Camays plus the
3 daily Camays. I don't know where you got the idea this hotel issues
bath-size Dial. I was able to locate some bath-size Ivory which I left
in your room.

Elaine Carmen

Dear Mrs. Carmen,

Just a short note to bring you up-to-date on my latest soap
inventory. As of today I possess:

- On the shelf under medicine cabinet - 18 Camay in 4 stacks of 4
and 1 stack of 2.
- On the Kleenex dispenser - 11 Camay in 2 stacks of 4 and 1 stack
of 3.
- On the bedroom dresser - 1 stack of 3 Cashmere Bouquet, 1 stack
of 4 hotel-size Ivory, and 8 Camay in 2 stacks of 4.
- Inside the medicine cabinet - 14 Camay in 3 stacks of 4 and 1
stack of 2.
- In the shower soap dish - 6 Camay, very moist.
- On the northeast corner of tub - 1 Cashmere Bouquet, slightly
- On the northwest corner of tub - 6 Camays in 2 stacks of 3.

Please ask Kathy when she services my room to make sure the stacks
are neatly piled and dusted. Also, please advise her that stacks of
more than 4 have a tendency to tip. May I suggest that my bedroom
window sill is not in use and will make an excellent spot for future
soap deliveries. One more item, I have purchased another bar of
bath-sized Dial which I am keeping in the hotel vault in order to
avoid further misunderstandings.

S. Berman


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